The Great Stripper Issue

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euronorris wrote: »

Being supportive is one thing, but being happy about it is another. I know my father would hate it, but he'd still be there for me as he's my father and he loves me.

I am interested to know if the men on this thread would be happy for their daughter to do a job such as a live lesbian sex show? ie, would they discuss such work as a potential career, among other options?

I think one of the answer to question "would father be happy for his daughter do it, if not why not" also is "because of other people prejudice".
As this thread shows. Many thinks that every stripper is a prostitute who will do any disgusting thing for money. Especially if from Eastern Europe.

I would definitely rather strip then issue parking tickets, if the perception of naked lady in the club wasn't worse then of a traffic police. It is safer, less hard work and more money:D.

And that many women here think that a man presented with naked lady will take his !!!!!! out. Everyone is going on about how he doesn't take in account her feelings, how must he feel when she believes he is able to take a !!!!!! out at first show of a boob.


Windswept as for your comments about "no decent man would support such an exploitation" - Not everyone is exploited. Just because they show some on the TV doesn't mean the whole industry is dirty and it is about the persons perception of this idea. Yours is obviously very strong belief, but mine isn't and believe you me lot of people out there isn't.

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Fang wrote: »

I didn't say I wouldn't be. Read what I write, not what you think I mean.

The question you should be asking is whether it would make me unhappy, and as long as she did it of her own free-will then I would not be. That would be the same for any job.

I agree. I don't think I would be happy, but then I don't think I would search for such a details on a stag do exactly for this reason.

I believe my OH can hold his equipment in his pants, this is organised by someone else and not by my OH who probably wouldn't go this far and punishing him for something his mates though is funny/cool/good laugh while I believe he will not be a pig is unfair.

georgie262

Tropez wrote: »

I think most of us are against sexual exploitation of women, however, what you consider to be exploitation and what actually is exploitation is not one and the same.

All of the girls who work legitimately in the adult entertainment industry are welcome to leave, just as all of the people who work jobs that they hate have that luxury to - the fact that they choose not to take it for one reason or another is not exploitation.

I wasn't meaning to suggest that you were 'for' sexual exploitation. I think it's a given that any rational human being isn't 'for' it. there are many 'legitimate' reasons women enter the sex industry, it's perceived as paying well - although this isn't always the case-. there are, however, many reasons that women end up in this industry and find it difficult to leave. My friend was well educated and from a loving family a traumatic past event had led to her having very low self esteem which in turn led to her seeking validation from men, stripping. I am not trying to say that ALL women who strip for a living are emotionally damaged or from a background of poverty or poorly educated but women from these groups are over represented in the sex industry and this is why I wouldn't condone going to these places.

euronorris

Fang wrote: »

I didn't say I wouldn't be. Read what I write, not what you think I mean.

The question you should be asking is whether it would make me unhappy, and as long as she did it of her own free-will then I would not be. That would be the same for any job.

Easy there, Fang. I'm only asking a question.

You said 'No more happy than I would be if she wanted to be a solider'. That did read as though you wouldn't be all that thrilled. Im sorry if I misunderstood, but I also believe that a lot of people would prefer their family members not to be soliders due to the obvious risk involved, hence my assumption.

Would you have any objection to her working in such a profession? If so, for what reasons.

Tropez has already responded, and I totally agree with those reasons. I'd be more concerned with the 'waste' of intelligence and education than anything else.

Edit: Gotta run, enjoy the debate. I have Thank you.

Tropez

georgie262 wrote: »

I wasn't meaning to suggest that you were 'for' sexual exploitation. I think it's a given that any rational human being isn't 'for' it. there are many 'legitimate' reasons women enter the sex industry, it's perceived as paying well - although this isn't always the case-. there are, however, many reasons that women end up in this industry and find it difficult to leave. My friend was well educated and from a loving family a traumatic past event had led to her having very low self esteem which in turn led to her seeking validation from men, stripping. I am not trying to say that ALL women who strip for a living are emotionally damaged or from a background of poverty or poorly educated but women from these groups are over represented in the sex industry and this is why I wouldn't condone going to these places.

Over represented by whose standards and from what evidence?

Leeds University published the results of a study a few years back in which they stated that 90% of strippers hold higher level qualifications, 25% hold an undergraduate degree and around 15% are doing it to pay their way through university. On top of that, the majority of women surveyed stated that they felt empowered, not exploited, and if anyone was being exploited it would be the men because the women see them as walking cash machines.

Of course, that does not indicate that there are not some despairing young women working in the sex industry, but recent trends suggest that the number of emotionally damaged women are declining, as more and more of the major businesses of the industry are being owned and controlled by women.

Fang_3

euronorris wrote: »

You said 'No more happy than I would be if she wanted to be a solider'. That did read as though you wouldn't be all that thrilled. Im sorry if I misunderstood, but I also believe that a lot of people would prefer their family members not to be soliders due to the obvious risk involved, hence my assumption.

I would prefer for my hypothetical daughter to be in MI5 or MI6 rather than the army. I think being a soldier would be a waste of their talents. I would prefer them to use their intelligence and abilities rather than take an easy option. That said if my child was thick as two short planks but beautiful and happy to strip, then I'd have absolutely no problem with it.

euronorris wrote: »

Would you have any objection to her working in such a profession? If so, for what reasons.

As above. It would depend on the reasons why they wanted to do it. If it was for easy money, then I wouldn't be happy because I wouldn't raise a child who would always take a short-sighted view and look for the easiest option. I place no moral judgements on those that work in the sex industry willingly.

georgie262

Tropez wrote: »

Over represented by whose standards and from what evidence?

Leeds University published the results of a study a few years back in which they stated that 90% of strippers hold higher level qualifications, 25% hold an undergraduate degree and around 15% are doing it to pay their way through university. On top of that, the majority of women surveyed stated that they felt empowered, not exploited, and if anyone was being exploited it would be the men because the women see them as walking cash machines.

Of course, that does not indicate that there are not some despairing young women working in the sex industry, but recent trends suggest that the number of emotionally damaged women are declining, as more and more of the major businesses of the industry are being owned and controlled by women.

I don't deny that many women do it to pay their way through university. That's the reason most of the girls I knew where doing it it. Also, the statement about many of the businesses being owned and controlled by women means nothing. Statistics mean nothing I can only go on my personal experiences since it is not something I have studied academically.

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georgie262 wrote: »

I wasn't meaning to suggest that you were 'for' sexual exploitation. I think it's a given that any rational human being isn't 'for' it. there are many 'legitimate' reasons women enter the sex industry, it's perceived as paying well - although this isn't always the case-. there are, however, many reasons that women end up in this industry and find it difficult to leave. My friend was well educated and from a loving family a traumatic past event had led to her having very low self esteem which in turn led to her seeking validation from men, stripping. I am not trying to say that ALL women who strip for a living are emotionally damaged or from a background of poverty or poorly educated but women from these groups are over represented in the sex industry and this is why I wouldn't condone going to these places.

I am very sorry to hear about your friend and I hope she is well, but from your story I cannot read in it at all how she was exploited.
She seems to have been messed up but not exploited. I perceive as exploited in this kind of sense someone who does something unwillingly and under pressure from a third party or under threat. Not someone who is seeking approval and trying to make themselves feel better (even if misguidedly).

Fang_3

georgie262 wrote: »

I don't deny that many women do it to pay their way through university. That's the reason most of the girls I knew where doing it it. Also, the statement about many of the businesses being owned and controlled by women means nothing. Statistics mean nothing I can only go on my personal experiences since it is not something I have studied academically.

They mean everything when you're claiming that a certain group are 'over-represented'.;)

sausageface

I have have seen photos of a stag do my ex went on to Prague. I don't think the stag's wife-to-be would have been too thrilled at the pictures of the naked dancer... oh and the stag naked on stage with the naked dancer... oh and the stag naked on a chair with the naked dancer looking about to straddle him... :eek:

This stag in question was an okay/funny fella/one of the good ones as well :cool: