New Comps Board Guidelines Discussion

Mamzie

maybe we should try how Dalkirst and Diva suggested things earlier in this thread?

Dalkirst wrote: »

How about go back to how it was 6 months ago it wasn't broke then:/

divadee wrote: »

im sory im with dalkirst pn this one. This row has come up out of nothing. The board was working as well as it could given the sheer size of it now.

Once the can had been opened, people are now demanding all sorts of different boards, sub boards etc... i think the way it is running with regs being any 'regular' (ie daily/weekly/monthly) without an end date works well.

it seems the people moaning about missing out on regular comps are the ones who dont go on the reg board. All i can say is click one more link and you are taken to the reg board. Its not a secret place, just clicking one more link doesnt stop you being able to enter them.

Mainly i feel that the people who want everything on the main board are a bit lazy not wanting to click on that board.

kittycatty

purplecatlover wrote: »

if a daily comp is posted as a new thread each day then adding it to the daily sticky would mean swapping the link each day. some people dont want threads bumped because they never see them that way. those of us who comp by end date miss all but the last comp or two in those posted with a final end date so some people want them posted as new each day.

Sorry just wanted to comment on this bit.

If a daily comp is posted as a new thread each day then it wouldn't need adding to the sticky as it would become a normal comp, if you see what I mean, so there wouldn't be any point in changing the sticky everyday.

Same as if a weekly comp (enter once per week) was added as a new thread every week it wouldn't really need adding to the weekly sticky either.

The difference would be (just an example here) say a comp with a long end date but you could enter d/w should be posted in main then added to the d/w sticky.


Just my view.

kittycatty

Oh sorry just 1 more thing, do we really need to keep going round in circles here, this forum used to be a really happy place but atm all the nastiness and constant arguing is driving people away. Do we really want our comp posters to stop posting and miss out on the fab comps posted??

Nicky63

kittycatty wrote: »

Sorry just wanted to comment on this bit.

If a daily comp is posted as a new thread each day then it wouldn't need adding to the sticky as it would become a normal comp, if you see what I mean, so there wouldn't be any point in changing the sticky everyday.

Same as if a weekly comp (enter once per week) was added as a new thread every week it wouldn't really need adding to the weekly sticky either.

The difference would be (just an example here) say a comp with a long end date but you could enter d/w should be posted in main then added to the d/w sticky.


Just my view.

Spot on! :T

Then it's the responsibility of each individual comper to check if there's any one day comps that day.

comping_cat

Mamzie - that was my point all along, i said the 4 BGs should decide what should happen, if that had been done considering 2 of them said they wanted it left alone, like it was 6 months ago then none of this horribleness would be happening.

PCL - i think you are looking too much into this and trying to please everyone, which is something you just cannot do. Your quote -

im getting more and more confused though by end date. on the one hand people are saying it has an end date each day so should be posted new, on the other hand theyre saying it should be a bumped thread on main. but if the end date is today, it goes to game over...so how can it be bumped?

I thought that a comp goes over to GO once it finishes, not whilst its still going - if BGs are a bit quick (i think the DM bag one was an example there) people can just put a note in the title to stop that happening - why would a comp that is only for one day need bumping, unless its an hourly one like the Times, but there was no problem with that being moved over to GO anyway.
Where are you expecting a comp with an end date of that day to be posted? If you say the dailies, and someone finds the comp, say, at midday - anyone who checks the daily list in the morning will miss out, and all the people who comp on the main board but not the regular board will miss out, and as we keep saying, unfortunately as there is not a solution where we can get everyone to see every competition we have to arrange it so we can get the majority of people to see, rather than the minority.

After going through the monthly board i found comps that are already on the main board, comps that have expired, comps that were now weekly or daily, comps that were enter once and that was it, so i didnt transfer as many over to the main board as i was expecting (was most upset when i found i couldnt win a bath of popcorn any more:)) I also found lots that i used to enter, but had obviously been moved to monthly never to be seen on the main board again. I have no idea why the boards were set up and like ive said before, my personal opinion is the weekly and monthly boards are not needed, a daily and once only board is. I also think that people have to take responsability for how they comp, and at the end of the day there is nothing more we can do to make it fair for everyone - everything with an end date goes on the main board - and then its up to you, you can comp using the extra sub boards or not, you can comp by end date or not, you can enter only big comps if that is what you want, enter from where you left off, enter by newly posted comps but however you enter lets hope we have lots of luck and enjoy what we do because it really has become silly and complicated when it doesnt have to be.

purplecatlover

how it used to be? with things being duped if they were only hidden on regs? with people yelling at other people for posting it wrong? with people not knowing where to post things? quoting my earlier post on that

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamzie
Sometimes I agree with Diva and Dalkirst that it would be better to go back to how it used to be, sometimes I agree with Glad, that a compromise that would help everyone could be worked out

how it used to be was that we had regs and things where posted over there. then people started complaining that comps were being "hidden" so they started duping comps that were already in regs on main, over and over again and conplaining when they got merged. to the point that the only bg then who was doing much of anything on here got fed up of being moaned at and quit merging. thus the duping problem got even worse. we had all sorts of issues and it was decided we needed another more hands on bg to help out, because some of the others, for whatever reason were not here very much and even main merges were not being done.....there were heaps and heaps of posts saying merge request sent that had not been merged by the end date.

all i want is some damm consisitancy! instead of this comp being posted on regs by person x and person y complaining it should be on main, or vice versa, or different people using different rules i want the same darn rule applied to the same comps! apparently that makes me a dictator, makes me someone who should be chased away and Quote:

It's not over yet, we will beath the !!!!! yes PCL I do mean you if you get shown this

so yeah thats how it used to be. and thats how it is now because some of us dont spit are dummies and throw massive temper tantrums every time we dont like something, some of us even know and understand the word compromise....which a lot of people it seems dont.

going by divas post yesterday (re classic comp), all new prizes even on a daily basis are to get a new thread with that days end date, as are all one day comps. once that is written officially somewhere ill sort the daily thread and remove them all.

consistancy will remove the duping risk and do away with any confusion.

all that to say, no can we please not go back to how it was before....instead can we have a clear and consistant rule that is FOLLOWED AND APPLIED BY EVERYONE and not just some? please?

purplecatlover wrote: »

the classic fm daily comp, that diva sais yesterday was to be a new thread each day as it has a different answer and prize each day is to be posted differently from for example the cast off daily competition which also has different question, answer and prize each day?

weekly comps, the tv news weekly comp is posted differently than the (ok its now ended but for future ref) radio weekly comp that zenmaster listened to and updated for us each sunday? both had end dates each week, both required entry with a new answer before x date.

if someone could just spell out the difference for me, in simple terms because im obviously too thick to see it myself, then i wouldnt be nitpicking so much

i have said all along i want clear rules, and not this some of these types of comp are posted this way and others another way.

i would still like to know the answer to what is the difference? why is one comp to be posted in an ongoing updated thread and the other as new each day?

purplecatlover

Nicky63 wrote: »

Spot on! :T

Then it's the responsibility of each individual comper to check if there's any one day comps that day.

thats fair enough, i dont have an issue with that...but why is it the responsibility of the comper who doesnt comp by newly posted to check for one day coms etc BUT NOT the responsibility of people who dont use regs board/sticky to check that they are not missing any ongoing and updated regularly threads each day?

once again, you guys seem to be saying, well i comp by newly posted, tough luck if you dont, this is what i want, this works for me and the rest of you can stuff it. eta im not saying that has been said anywhere on mse...its what is bieng implied by some

toniq

I've asked abuse/forum team to look at this now, it's getting beyond daft.

If people in this thread are being accused of ganging up and bullying, then FT need to be involved.

Munchkim

purplecatlover wrote: »

thats fair enough, i dont have an issue with that...but why is it the responsibility of the comper who doesnt comp by newly posted to check for one day coms etc BUT NOT the responsibility of people who dont use regs board/sticky to check that they are not missing any ongoing and updated regularly threads each day?

once again, you guys seem to be saying, well i comp by newly posted, tough luck if you dont, this is what i want, this works for me and the rest of you can stuff it.

nothing new there either then, no willingness to compromise, no willingness to work together and no willingness to do anything other than gang up and bully. lovely isnt it?

Surely the easy answer would be to add OneDayOnly in the body of the comp post to make them searchable rather like the guessedenddate tag that seems to work for a lot of you?:o

An with regard to your other comment: "i would still like to know the answer to what is the difference? why is one comp to be posted in an ongoing updated thread and the other as new each day?"

Surely, again, the simple answer is that as you keep saying there were no guidelines, now there are, or we're working towards them so those posted the wrong way would need posting under the new guidelines, it's not one to be posted one way and another the other way, it's just that few noticed what was happening until a very popular comp was about to vanish from the main board.

You cant blame all the rest of us for assuming the way we'd read the guidelines (which is how CC keeps explaining them, thank you) was the right way and then all of a sudden this happens when a few people had read them a different way and popular comps were being removed from the main forum, thats not fair on the majority of us!

hamster

Mamzie wrote: »

maybe we should try how Dalkirst and Diva suggested things earlier in this thread?

Six months ago we had a simple system where the poster used their own discretion to decide if they wanted a post to go on the main board or if it would work better on the regulars board. So, for example, we have "Real People" posted as a separate thread every week on the main board and "Tetley Tea" as a single thread on the regulars board updated each week and Take-A-Break/Puzzler Mags as ongoing threads updated as required. All these methods are of course perfectly acceptable and the only concrete rules we needed were "do a search" and "add an end date" (plus a few anti-spam / anti-gambling rules).

The original poster, in effect, "owned" the thread and it was at their discretion as to what tags to add (if any), how much detail to post, whether the thread should be a single post on main, if it should be posted on the regulars board, or if it needed to be ongoing thread with regular updates and lots of input from other compers.

BGs would take care of anything too outrageous and only occasionally over-ride the poster's choice of board. The stickies would keep track of the daily/weekly/monthly posts regardless of which board they were posted to.

In my opinion we don't need more rules. The more rules we have the fewer comps will get posted because people want to be part of a community, not members of a police state. They will not want to have their posts scrutinised for "correctness", moderated by self-appointed forum police, criticised and possibly moved simply for the sake of enforcing unnecessary, and at times completely idiotic, rules.

I would be in favour of abandoning the rule making and just giving the forum back to the compers.