MSE News: Wheel clamping ban moves closer

gadgetmind

muckybutt wrote: »

In fact ive just done a quick calc on www.barriersdirect.co.uk http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/categories/56-automatic-arm-barriers/products/581-automatic-raise-arm-barrier
I put installation - 50 proximity cards - card reader at car height - proximity / safety loop - stop sign and barrier rest. Quoted price ? £2900 inc vat and installation

Does that include running power in a trench to the location (about 10 metres from building and across stone set surfaced car park), barriers for both in and out, and sensor loops to prevent barriers descending on cars? If so, we might give you a call if we can't find any other solution!

Regards tags, we already have Proxiq ones for the other barriers.

Of course, we still have to figure in the cost of getting planning permission (which I'm now told might be refused even if we do have an apron) the loss of a few parking spaces at £1500pa each, the repair costs when people wrench barriers off, and the general hassle.

Ian

muckybutt

d123 wrote: »

You are quite right, the majority of car parks to which the public have access are considered public roads for the purposes of the RTA now.

Possibly so ( i might stand corrected ) but I bet you couldnt get anyone to actually enforce parking regs on private property, "thats a civil matter sir !"

gadgetmind

muckybutt wrote: »

Whilst I wholeheartedly dont agree with either clamping or private ticketing.

Even if there are huge signs, and the parking spaces are all marked with company and/or individual names? Doesn't that make it *totally* clear that people shouldn't be parking there?

what we used to do at a hotel I once worked in was to move the vehicle that was causing a problem onto a public road with the aid of wheel dollies

This has been discussed (a lot of people here are deeply upset at this threatened change in the law) but we're concerned about violent and abusive behaviour. However, maybe the clamping companies will turning into "shift the sods with wheel dollies" companies, so at least we won't be the ones being shouted at, kicked and punched.

Ian

gadgetmind

muckybutt wrote: »

I gotta say though ( and ill probably get shot for this ) if it was my private property that was being abused then id use them again .

Hey, I've just had a good thought - we're *really* close to both a river and a canal. "Car? Blue you say? No, sorry, I definitely haven't seen a blue one. Are you totally sure you left it in my personal parking space in our private car park?"

Ian

d123

muckybutt wrote: »

Possibly so ( i might stand corrected ) but I bet you couldnt get anyone to actually enforce parking regs on private property, "thats a civil matter sir !"

Around my way they already do, drunken driving, construction and use regs and section 59 PRA spring to mind straight off.

muckybutt

gadgetmind wrote: »

Does that include running power in a trench to the location (about 10 metres from building and across stone set surfaced car park), barriers for both in and out, and sensor loops to prevent barriers descending on cars? If so, we might give you a call if we can't find any other solution!

Ian

: Pogo Stick End Rest £385.00 x 2


: Basic Installation £2772.00 x 2

: Proximity Card Reader £723.80 x 2

: Safety Close/Auto Reverse Loop Detector £169.40 x 2

: Standard Height Reader Pedestal (Car Height) £369.60 x 2

: Arm Mounted Stop Sign £36.96 x 2

: Proximity Cards £188.50 x 50

Arm Length: Up to 4.0 meters
Exact Size of Barrier required: 3 Metres
Orientation of Barrier: Left Handed
Colour Option: Red Cabinet White lid - Red/White Arm £2464.00 x 2

Sub-Total:£7,109.26 Delivery to England and Wales‡:FREE! VAT:£1,421.85 Grand Total:£8,531.11

muckybutt

d123 wrote: »

Around my way they already do, drunken driving, construction and use regs and section 59 PRA spring to mind straight off.

hang on gone slightly off topic here, were talking about parking regs not drink driving etc. Im fully aware you can get done for dd in a pub car park etc, what im saying is RTA as far as parking fines are concerned cant be enforced. RTA has nothing to do with joe bloggs parking company thats why its a load of bull when it printed on their bog roll tickets.

gadgetmind

muckybutt wrote: »

VAT:£1,421.85 Grand Total:£8,531.11

Ah, now I'm starting to see where the £20k came from once planning permission, electrical work, and trench digging/relaying is figured in. It all adds up.

What's really annoying will be losing some parking spaces as they are very expensive and we're already short of them. What's even more annoying is that there are a load of car parks really close where people could park. We should know, we often had to pay to park in them when random people had parked in our spots!

Ian

Driver8

Flyboy152 wrote: »

The parking control company I have employed have a very good reputation. The signs in the car park have our telephone number on them, advising the owners of the cars to contact us, if they have a dispute with the control company. In my service agreement with the company, I have a clause that allows me to withdraw from the contract if there any verifiable complaints relating to intimidation, non agreed fees etc. or if serious complaints reach ten per cent of activity (I am not interested in the complaints taht say, "ooh, she was rude to me when I phoned them," or "they took too long to answer their phones"). To date (over a couple of years), I have received about a dozen calls, mainly to do with the time it has taken to get the clamp removed. We have a key to the clamps locked in the office. If there is a genuine emergency (for example a parent with small children etc.), we can release on behalf of the clampers, once the fee has been paid. If there is genuine hardship (if the car is an old banger and the driver is clearly without funds), we have the discretion to waive the fee. Everyone else can take a run and jump.

There are many firms who take a similar approach, why should we be tarred with the same brush and have our livelihoods put at risk, because the government don't know how to write laws properly.

I do hope your business folds and you end up bankrupt. You sound a nasty piece of work.

gadgetmind

Driver8 wrote: »

I do hope your business folds and you end up bankrupt. You sound a nasty piece of work.

Words fail me. Do people here really support the "right" of people to abuse the private land and parking spaces of others? What would you do if people kept parking on your property, thereby preventing you and your clients from parking there, and refused to stop doing it?

There have to be sanctions to effectively prevent such anti-social behavior and physical measures are intrusive and expensive.

Ian