MSE News: Wheel clamping ban moves closer

d123

muckybutt wrote: »

hang on gone slightly off topic here, were talking about parking regs not drink driving etc. Im fully aware you can get done for dd in a pub car park etc, what im saying is RTA as far as parking fines are concerned cant be enforced. RTA has nothing to do with joe bloggs parking company thats why its a load of bull when it printed on their bog roll tickets.

But not obstruction (or the new offences with regard the new clamping/towing laws when they come into force).

I fully agree with regard to parking, I was referring to flyboy who was saying he would block cars in with his vans, and I was saying that he would be prosecuted for obstruction and probably breach of peace/public order offences if he did.

Spartacus_Mills

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Rather than being pedantic, how about coming up with a suggestion to help with the hundreds of thousands of businesses that have such a problem. :wall:

It is against the law to trespass on someones private property. The difference being, is it is not a criminal offence, but a civil one.

DO you have any evidence that "hundreds of thousands" of businesses have such a problem ?

I doubt it.

Trespass is a civil matter. You will now have the pleasure that so many victims of clampers have had. The Police saying "It's a civil matter sir". Serves you right. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Basically you will have to come up with a means that does not involve a disproportionate punishment which is tantamount to extortion.

Coupon-mad

gadgetmind wrote: »

Words fail me. Do people here really support the "right" of people to abuse the private land and parking spaces of others? What would you do if people kept parking on your property, thereby preventing you and your clients from parking there, and refused to stop doing it?

There have to be sanctions to effectively prevent such anti-social behavior and physical measures are intrusive and expensive.

Ian

Words fail me that this thread has once again turned into an argument along the lines of 'how can I stop cars being parked on my drive'. It always happens with clamping threads and as usual every suggestion has been refused even though no-one ever thinks twice about having a lockable door at the entrance to their indoor premises...

But shock horror, the protection racketeers who have been doing a threatening 'job' for free in car parks are finally going to be stopped. They have only themselves to blame. Good riddance.

Flyboy, there are no clampers with a good reputation (as if! ). Name them and we will tell you the score.

And how exactly does clamping cars solve the problem?

You can't argue it's any deterrent if people are still parking there and being clamped, week in , week out. Has it occurred to you that the clampers may have another agenda than 'keeping your car park clear' (think about it, that would be the very last thing they would want). If their notices were working then why would there still be 8 cars being clamped each week in your car park?

And how do your delivery drivers avoid being clamped then? Or someone coming for an interview, someone coming to pick up a staff member, passing trade calling in for info/goods/services to name just a few people who may park for good reason.

All in all it cannot come in soon enough. Private citizens in Britain cannot use 'sanctions' or 'penalties' against others, it's a basic fundamental of our laws and I am shocked by those who automatically think along 'punishment' lines as the first option.

Coupon-mad

d123 wrote: »

But not obstruction (or the new offences with regard the new clamping/towing laws when they come into force).

I fully agree with regard to parking, I was referring to flyboy who was saying he would block cars in with his vans, and I was saying that he would be prosecuted for obstruction and probably breach of peace/public order offences if he did.

I think blocking in is considered akin to immobilisation, and will be included in the ban.

anewman

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I think blocking in is considered akin to immobilisation, and will be included in the ban.

I believe the Police already like to stick £60 fines on cars that cause an obstruction so as to prohibit access to the public highway, and will even tow cars away that are causing such an obstruction at cost to the owner.

Regards some of the previous posts.

If you pay to use a space and the car park owner you pay is too stupid to spend a couple of quid (out of the hundreds they get that you pay them) on gates and providing you with a key, then stop paying to use that space. Simple answer.

If you can afford to own land in today's economy, you can afford to protect it. If you can't afford to protect it, consider selling up quick before you end up bankrupt. You buy fire alarms, burglar alarms, locks for your doors etc - if you're too thick to buy a gate for your car park that's your problem. If there is a parking problem where your business is and people continually use your spaces for the other business, consider moving somewhere where each business has adequate parking - in addition to a barrier system. A lack of parking spaces being made available is responsible for the majority of parking issues out there.

ripped_off_driver

At the end of the day the legalised extortion and theft that is clamping is now ending. And not before time. The many crimnals and bullies employed in this game will have to find alternative employment. Landowners will have to secure their land. Those who bleat about it and do nothing will have no credibility. It has worked fine in scotland for 20 years and it will work fine here.

The reality is that the BPA and various clampers tried to get landowners and agents exercised to complain about the ban. But there was very little feedback. I suspect many landowners and agents will be glad to see the back of these parasites. In the end it is no big deal. Life will go on and it will be all the better now that a gang of thieving scumbags have been taken out of circulation.

Everybody who supports the ban should write a note of thanks to Lynne Featherstone for having the courage to take on and face down the pro-clamping lobby:

http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/contact

Next for the scam merchant cowboys who style themselves as private parking companies. It is a slippery slope now.

Are you listening BPA?

taffy056

gadgetmind wrote: »

Ah, now I'm starting to see where the £20k came from once planning permission, electrical work, and trench digging/relaying is figured in. It all adds up.

What's really annoying will be losing some parking spaces as they are very expensive and we're already short of them. What's even more annoying is that there are a load of car parks really close where people could park. We should know, we often had to pay to park in them when random people had parked in our spots!

Ian

You are speaking junk, they can be powered off solar panels and batteries, I beleive that energy from the sun is still free,!

And your continuation for a lazy way to control land is ending, get used to it, because clamping is going, as a landowner the responsibility is yours to find a solution not the government! Clampers are the scourge of motorists , the large majority are cowboys, they have cut their own throats, and will be jailed for extortion!

gadgetmind

Someone at work today said that we'd have to resort to slashing the tyres of those who occupied our parking spaces and/or drilling numerous tiny holes in the panels of their cars. I expressed for forceful opinion that this would be wrong. Statements here by various people are causing me to reconsider this view.

Please understand, we don't to make money from people, we don't want to immobilise their cars, or tow them away, or interfere with them in *any* way, we just don't want them dumping their cars in our parking spaces such that we can't use them.

Yes, everyone could erect expensive and unsightly fences and barriers around all private land, but is this really what we want?

Ian

gadgetmind

taffy056 wrote: »

You are speaking junk, they can be powered off solar panels and batteries, I beleive that energy from the sun is still free,!

What will that cost us and how well will it work during winter?

And your continuation for a lazy way to control land is ending, get used to it, because clamping is going

Maybe it is, maybe not. Let's see.

If clamping is totally banned, I guess we'll have to work out another way to prevent people dumping their cars in our parking spaces with an abuse and violent FU attitude. This might involve physical barriers, or it might involve other ways of actively discouraging such activities.

Ian

taffy056

gadgetmind wrote: »

Someone at work today said that we'd have to resort to slashing the tyres of those who occupied our parking spaces and/or drilling numerous tiny holes in the panels of their cars. I expressed for forceful opinion that this would be wrong. Statements here by various people are causing me to reconsider this view.

Ian

Great then they get a criminal record for a civil matter, possibly lose their jobs and get banged up for doing so, yes very sensible thing to do, considering it could kill someone if a tyre has got a slow put in by your clearly brainless coworkers!