MSE News: Wheel clamping ban moves closer

d123

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Not on private property it isn't. I suggest you read a law book and get some knowledge.

Actually, I suggest you do. Specifically read up the definition of a public place or road with regard to the Road Traffic Act or the Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations, you might get a nasty shock to find most private car parks are included.

SodG24

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Because they are not "innocent motorists." It is not just a few, it happens every day, at least eight cars are clamped on my forecourt every week.


The lazy beggars who park on someone else's land seems like a good idea to me.

Well my mate got a clamp when we went to the rugby once and the signs were few and far between and it was very easy to park without seeing them so in my experience there are many innocent motorists ( myself included when it comes to PPCs ).

No - either the landowners and / or the clampers should pay for the regulation. It is them that's allowed it to run out of control. If you want clamping to continue then pay for the regulation otherwise look forward to it being consigned to history. After all, burglars don't pay for the cost of bringing a law against burglary, the cost of detection, the cost of prosecution and the cost of jail - those of us who want protection from burglary do - i.e. the taxpayer.

gadgetmind

AlexisV wrote: »

Honestly, if you state your case and try and persuasive I think people will respond better. Of course, nothing will stop the proper idiots out there unfortunately.

Yes, I guess you haven't encountered these people. Many are repeat offenders, and the thought of them responding to politeness makes me chuckle. We've had to bring in a rule saying that female staff members couldn't talk to inconsiderate parkers as many were abusive almost to the point of violence.

It really was very unpleasant before the clamping signs.

I've checked regards new barriers. Well over £20k was the first estimate and we'll struggle to get planning permission unless we lose a few spaces to provide an "apron" so that vehicles waiting to get through the barrier don't block the road.

Ian

gadgetmind

cajef wrote: »

Or even better as it would be for the benefit of the people that want to employ the clampers they can pay.:p

We'd happily pay to have people clamped if that's what it took. We did discuss buying out own clamp but we couldn't justify the serious risk of a member of staff being assaulted while deploying it.

Ian

muckybutt

d123 wrote: »

Actually, I suggest you do. Specifically read up the definition of a public place or road with regard to the Road Traffic Act or the Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations, you might get a nasty shock to find most private car parks are included.

Beg to differ on that one, RTA does not have anything to do with private land. Might very well be a public place but you cant enforce RTA law on private property.

muckybutt

gadgetmind wrote: »

We did discuss buying out own clamp but we couldn't justify the serious risk of a member of staff being assaulted while deploying it.

Ian

That would be illegal and you would end up in court if you did that, why ? because you have to be licenced to clamp ! :eek:

muckybutt

Pardon my french but 20 - 50 K for a barrier system is b ollo cks !

I have installed them in the past as well as maintained them, maintenance contract your looking at between 200 - 500 a year, installation between £1500 - £3000, barrier £1500 - £5000, so no where even close to either of the figures floating around in either of your heads.

In fact ive just done a quick calc on www.barriersdirect.co.uk http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/categories/56-automatic-arm-barriers/products/581-automatic-raise-arm-barrier
I put installation - 50 proximity cards - card reader at car height - proximity / safety loop - stop sign and barrier rest. Quoted price ? £2900 inc vat and installation

gadgetmind

muckybutt wrote: »

Beg to differ on that one, RTA does not have anything to do with private land. Might very well be a public place but you cant enforce RTA law on private property.

I think the Road Traffic Act 1991 amended many sections of the Road Traffic Act 1988 so that it covered land to which the public has access even if it's private land. ISTR this was done to stop people hooning around in supermarket carparks on a night, but I could be wrong.

Of course, it's not that simple. The law never is!

Ian

d123

gadgetmind wrote: »

I think the Road Traffic Act 1991 amended many sections of the Road Traffic Act 1988 so that it covered land to which the public has access even if it's private land. ISTR this was done to stop people hooning around in supermarket carparks on a night, but I could be wrong.

Of course, it's not that simple. The law never is!

Ian

You are quite right, the majority of car parks to which the public have access are considered public roads for the purposes of the RTA now.

muckybutt

Whilst I wholeheartedly dont agree with either clamping or private ticketing, what we used to do at a hotel I once worked in was to move the vehicle that was causing a problem onto a public road with the aid of wheel dollies, it was always filmed just incase the owner ever tried claiming owt for damage. It was then tough titty if they got a proper ticket.

I gotta say though ( and ill probably get shot for this ) if it was my private property that was being abused then id use them again .

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