MSE News: Wheel clamping ban moves closer

peter_the_piper

A cheap solution (for the present)that has proved useful in the past is to park a car prominently and put your own clamp on it. Not many people would take a chance when there is such a visible warning.

anewman

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Or here's another solution, selfish lazy gits shouldn't park on private land.

It will probably be a surprise for you to learn that the majority don't park on private land without clear invitation or permission. I suspect you're not a concerned land owner, but one of the stinking rich bosses of one of the soon to be outlawed clamping firms, who clamp as many people as possible, trying desperately to keep his questionably earned income rolling in. It's the only possible explanation of your posts. It's a shame the law won't go so far as to be retrospective and seize all the proceeds and assets acquired through such criminal activity, you'd have nothing left then.

peter_the_piper wrote: »

A cheap solution (for the present)that has proved useful in the past is to park a car prominently and put your own clamp on it. Not many people would take a chance when there is such a visible warning.

You could even simply chain one up in a visible location to a drain pipe or other immovable object. That plus a cheap sign and you're away. No need to recruit legalised thugs.

Flyboy152

SodG24 wrote: »

It really is very simple - in all likelihood clamping will be outlawed ( regardless of what you or I think of that ).

That means YOU as the landowner need to think of something different to deter people from parking on your land. Many have suggested gates / a barrier and you've responded that it would be illegal without planning consent and the freeholders permission. Firstly it's not illegal without the freeholders permission - you would just be breaking your lease. Secondly, have you actually applied for planning consent - it's very painless and fairly cheap ? Or indeed have you asked permission of the freeholder ?

Yes I flipping have. Next flipping question.

Planning applications are not cheap at all for commercial premises. There are consultant fees, environmental impact studies, risk assessments, the list goes on an on. All of those costs money. Then there are insurance costs and the maintenance cost etc. to take into account. The laying of services etc., such as electricity. The building of a wall and fence.

Why should I have to be the one who shells out money because the selfish actions of others.

Whether you like it or not, whining and !!!!!ing on here will not change the fact that it is very likely it will become law.

I don't care what you or others think now. If the practice is banned, I will have to resort to blocking in.

Finally, you mention boxing in vehicles. I agree with you that I don't believe you could be charged with obstruction BUT you could be charged with a breach of the peace. It's an offense that police can invoke for almost anything including any behaviour which will offend, upset or cause discomfort to others where a possible outcome could be - for example a fight. Boxing in a vehicle could easily fall into this category.

If you fancy a criminal record go ahead but personally, if I owned any land, I would be looking at a better alternative than getting arrested.

On what grounds. If I am behaving orderly and quietly, then there is no "breach of the peace." If the peace is broken on private land, the police have to show who is responsible. If the motorist wishes to kick up a stink, he will be the one "breaching the peace." But if he behaves in a way you expect, he will be faced with more than a "breach of the peace."

Flyboy152

peter_the_piper wrote: »

A cheap solution (for the present)that has proved useful in the past is to park a car prominently and put your own clamp on it. Not many people would take a chance when there is such a visible warning.

That's what we started doing. But they still ignored it. Even on Monday of this week, there were two cars clamped within an hour of each other. The first one could not have been missed by the second driver. They seem to thnk that as one car has been clamped, the clampers won't be back to check again. Like I have said before, if they are too stupid to ignore the massive signs, with enormous writing and in this instance, ignore another clamped car, they deserve all they get.

Flyboy152

oldone wrote: »

What building work do you need to do to park your car across the entrance before the rougue parkers arrive.
As I have said, you don't want a solution, but continue to collect clamping fees.

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You haven't been reading this thread at all have you? I have an open forecourt. If I wanted to block the car park with other cars, I would have to eight cars doing it and my staff would have to arrive at six o'clock in the morning and be there all day Saturday and Sunday. Would you do that?

If I wanted to install gates I would first of all need to built fences and walls all round the forecourt. This would then restrict my neighbour's access.

Flyboy152

anewman wrote: »

It will probably be a surprise for you to learn that the majority don't park on private land without clear invitation or permission. I suspect you're not a concerned land owner, but one of the stinking rich bosses of one of the soon to be outlawed clamping firms, who clamp as many people as possible, trying desperately to keep his questionably earned income rolling in. It's the only possible explanation of your posts. It's a shame the law won't go so far as to be retrospective and seize all the proceeds and assets acquired through such criminal activity, you'd have nothing left then.

Aah, I see, you have joined the, "I can't get him to agree with my opinion, so I'll try pretending he is lying," brigade. Not a very grown up way to debate, is it?

You could even simply chain one up in a visible location to a drain pipe or other immovable object. That plus a cheap sign and you're away. No need to recruit legalised thugs.

Oh for Heaven's sake, if I could have done that, I would have done it years ago. I have put up cones, chains, boards, construction barriers the lot, they just get moved or driven over. There are no drains, lampposts or drain pipes to attach anything to.

SodG24

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Why should I have to be the one who shells out money because the selfish actions of others.

On what grounds. If I am behaving orderly and quietly, then there is no "breach of the peace." If the peace is broken on private land, the police have to show who is responsible. If the motorist wishes to kick up a stink, he will be the one "breaching the peace." But if he behaves in a way you expect, he will be faced with more than a "breach of the peace."

I agree - why should you have to shell out money for the selfish acts of the few - but what I was trying to point out is that you will have to do so if you want to properly secure your property. I don't like the fact that my car insurance premiums are higher because of a minority of selfish drivers but the choice I have is to pay it or stop driving.

The action of preventing the owner from removing their car can be considered a breach of the peace however polite and calm your behaviour might be.

Flyboy152

SodG24 wrote: »

I agree - why should you have to shell out money for the selfish acts of the few - but what I was trying to point out is that you will have to do so if you want to properly secure your property. I don't like the fact that my car insurance premiums are higher because of a minority of selfish drivers but the choice I have is to pay it or stop driving.

The action of preventing the owner from removing their car can be considered a breach of the peace however polite and calm your behaviour might be.

There is no law which prevents me from doing so.

SodG24

Flyboy152 wrote: »

There is no law which prevents me from doing so.

FGS - by boxing in a car and refusing to remove this boxing in the police could consider your actions as creating a possible breach of the peace.

There is no specific law to prevent you boxing them in. In the same way there is no specific law to prevent me walking down Liverpool highstreet shouting I thought all Scousers were losers BUT my actions could, and in likelihood would, constitute a breach of the peace.

If that's the course of action you wish to take then fine but you should be prepared to be arrested.

Flyboy152

SodG24 wrote: »

FGS - by boxing in a car and refusing to remove this boxing in the police could consider your actions as creating a possible breach of the peace.

There is no specific law to prevent you boxing them in. In the same way there is no specific law to prevent me walking down Liverpool highstreet shouting I thought all Scousers were losers BUT my actions could, and in likelihood would, constitute a breach of the peace.

If that's the course of action you wish to take then fine but you should be prepared to be arrested.

What would be the breach of the peace? The consequences may be considered to a breach, if the motorist kicks up a stink. But the actual blocking in of his car won't be. He will be the one who will be charged with the offence, not me.