Apoca parking fine Luton Airport info needed please

Jamie_Carter

Half_way wrote: »

Generic advice for genric situations, that is aprivate company that has absolutly no authority to do so is attempting to levey a fine/penalty dressed up as a contractual charge/parking charge notice.
APCOA, their management and their employees are !!!!!! if they think the signage at East midlands airport ( and im sure other airports where they opperate are the same) is enforcable, as its impossible to read it as your driving in - yes i have seen signs at that site, but other than an APCOA logo the rest of it is incomprehensable.
And thats not to mention that if there is any clause ( such as £80 charge for daring to stop ) is enforcable - it is not, it is a penalty and private companies can not enforce these on private land. be that an airport, hospital, or a supermarket car park.

I know the dodgy tactics that these companies use, and that in many cases they are illegal. However these companies are also contracted by councils, in which cases they would be genuine fines.

My point is that we need to find out for sure if the same legislation applies to airports that applies to Asda car parks.

Half_way wrote: »

As for your comparison between Security sensitve airports, and ASDA car parks - what planet are you on??
if we are going down the anti terrosism/security threat route, both are are public places where a lot of people cogregate, and both are just as sensitive.

You really don't know much about security threats do you?

When was there last an attack in an Asda car park?

Supermarket car parks have a completely different security threat to airports, which is why there is very strict security legislation covering airports.

You really make yourself look silly by suggesting anything different.

Half_way

The rules are whats comonly known as the law, if its ilegal to tow/clamp, or attempt to issue penaltys then the parking company are not following the rules that the rest of us follow.

Those companies put up signs warning people what will happen if they park there. If people are then stupid enough to ignore those signs, then that's when these companies carry out their threats.

Half_way

Supermarket car parks have a completely different security threat to airports, which is why there is very strict security legislation covering airports.

All places where the public gather are targets, in 1983 a bomb went off outside a marks and spencer supermarket on Boxing day.

Jamie_Carter

Half_way wrote: »

The rules are whats comonly known as the law, if its ilegal to tow/clamp, or attempt to issue penaltys then the parking company are not following the rules that the rest of us follow.

This is exactly why I suspect that the laws that govern airports are different to other car parks on private land. Because at airports they are allowed to tow cars away for security reasons.

Jamie_Carter

Half_way wrote: »

All places where the public gather are targets, in 1983 a bomb went off outside a marks and spencer supermarket on Boxing day.

Since when did you see armed police patrolling marks and spencers????

Exactly, you haven't, which is because of the huge security threat around airports.

Don't even pretend to believe otherwise, because nobody could possibly be that stupid, so I would assume you are trolling.

Stroma

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

But that is still 24 losses by people who you would have told to ignore the letters.......or can't you see that?

How the hell do you know that ? We don't know what advice has been given. And I will put my house on it that most of those are default judgements that the person didn't even know they were taken to court, for reasons like they moved house and didn't forward their mail, and the new occupiers simply returned the mail as unknown.

I also know that at least three or four have been overturned for various reasons. You have no knowledge or understanding of the situation, your defence of these companies is flawed in so many ways, for example you think they have authority to punish and penalise people.

Who do you think apcoa are ? They are a private parking company without authority, if they had any kind at Luton the tickets would be issued under bylaws, the appeal would be to the magistrates, and they would have this on the ticket. It doesn't so it's unenforceable invoice. You not even knowing this just shows that you have no idea at all on this subject.

Stroma

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

I know the dodgy tactics that these companies use, and that in many cases they are illegal. However these companies are also contracted by councils, in which cases they would be genuine fines.

My point is that we need to find out for sure if the same legislation applies to airports that applies to Asda car parks.



You really don't know much about security threats do you?

When was there last an attack in an Asda car park?

Supermarket car parks have a completely different security threat to airports, which is why there is very strict security legislation covering airports.

You really make yourself look silly by suggesting anything different.

You are not listening, which makes you look like an idiot. There are no bylaws covering parking charge notices, these are civil invoices issued by companies that have no authority. No matter what you say apcoa has no authority. Which means its a civil matter!

Now you seem a little thick witted, and it takes multiple times to explain something to you. Start at post one and slowly read the entire thread, when you've done that, repeat until it sinks in.

Coupon-mad

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

This is exactly why I suspect that the laws that govern airports are different to other car parks on private land. Because at airports they are allowed to tow cars away for security reasons.

No they are not necessarily allowed to any more (even though it is slightly strange, it seems they probably can't since the POF Act - except if the Police do it).

They cannot clamp or tow without a relevant byelaw or statute in fact. That's why I posted that pepipoo link for you, to 'keep you quiet' because I suspected you would assume Airports still could clamp/tow.

Due to Airport Management staff not knowing about - or assuming stuff about - the new law (POF Act) it seems they may have overlooked the need to create a suitable byelaw, which they never needed before, there are some Airports that are still clamping/towing using a private scam firm - and that was the latest thread about it. If you couldn't read the whole pepipoo thread & replies you only needed to change the 'options' and 'display mode' when viewing a pepipoo thread.

The pepipoo regular, x-streem has got a crime number and he's one of the worst people for them to have clamped, he won't let it go!!




Jeez I replied to you again...must ignore...

Half_way

I can asure you that if there was a genuine security concern with a vehicle at an airport ( or anywhere else for that matter) then the police would deal with it properly, not some two bit crappy parking company.

Likewise for stopping, a letter in the post demanding £80 or so isnt going to stop anyone with serious ill intent, these companies are only bothered about the bottom line.


This thread has run it course, and has now got little to do with the Origianl post, JamieCarter, earlier on you stated that you are playing devils advocate, you are either a troll or

atilla

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

When was there last an attack in an Asda car park?

Supermarket car parks have a completely different security threat to airports, which is why there is very strict security legislation covering airports.

You really make yourself look silly by suggesting anything different.

2 in Manchester in the last week. Bot involving weapons.

Now who's looking silly?