Apoca parking fine Luton Airport info needed please

Jamie_Carter

Stroma wrote: »

Quite simple

2011
1.8m fake tickets issued - Source the Home Office

Source - a FOI request to the courts on BPA AOS members

845 claims to the small claims
49 before a judge
25 wins for the motorists
24 wins for the entire parking industry

Source - the BPA and parking companies

About 35% of tickets are not paid, so circa 630k ignored tickets.

Now tell us what are your sources for not ignoring letters from scammers

You have just answered your own question. The parking industry do win sometimes (not very often granted). So all the armchair experts who just tell everyone to ignore it because it is illegal, aren't right all the time.

So you need to look at why the parking companies won on those occasions, and find out what the exceptional circumstances were. It is possible that those exceptional circumstances were the same as this case.


As for your previous post about terrorist threats. It doesn't take a genius to work out that you can pack far more explosives in a car than a backpack. This is exactly the reason why private cars aren't allowed anywhere near the airport buildings.

Coupon-mad

We really don't need to look at these figures again - they were looked at last year when we considered the data. These few rare wins would include any where the person didn't turn up at the hearing for whatever reason, or agreed to pay outside of the hearing room in last minute discussion.

Beyond those scenarios, we only know of a couple of wins due to weaker defences or judges who make 'odd' decisions (stand up and take a bow, Bournemouth/Poole County Court and 'Devere-gate'!).

Everything you keep posting has already been discussed to death over many years here. I think posters shouldn't respond any more - I know I won't as this is a complete waste of time. It's one thing to post a couple of times in Devil's Advocate mode - and quite another to spam threads with pointless old information and questions and supposition on your part. Do you think you are the only person here who has previously worked at an Airport, or in security-related positions with some knowledge of Airports? Nope.

Jamie_Carter

Well all I can say to anyone else in the same situation as the OP, is don't take any notice of the people who think they are experts in this thread (but appear to have tunnel vision). But instead take professional advice, otherwise it could prove very costly. We have established that it isn't as cut and dry and some people make out, because the parking companies do sometimes win.

Coupon-mad

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Well all I can say to anyone else in the same situation as the OP, is don't take any notice of the people who think they are experts in this thread (but appear to have tunnel vision). But instead take professional advice, otherwise it could prove very costly. We have established that it isn't as cut and dry and some people make out, because the parking companies do sometimes win.

No, 'we' really haven't.

You appear to have a hidden agenda. I think newbies can work out for themselves which posters know what a 'Parking Charge Notice' is, and what to do about it (not including PAYING) even when issued on Airport land.

Jamie_Carter

Coupon-mad wrote: »

No, 'we' really haven't.

You appear to have a hidden agenda. I think newbies can work out for themselves which posters know what a 'Parking Charge Notice' is, and what to do about it (not including PAYING) even when issued on Airport land.

I don't have any agenda, except that I don't like the fact that there are people on forums that are giving out generic advice that may not apply to all situations. And that they won't listen to any other possibility, because they are on some sort of crusade.

My advice again would be to proceed with caution, especially if it is not just a supermarket car park issue, such as this case. This is the advice of all the experts that I have seen on TV. They don't give out generic advice as you do.

A security sensitive airport bus station is NOT the same as an ASDA car park.

Stroma

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

You have just answered your own question. The parking industry do win sometimes (not very often granted). So all the armchair experts who just tell everyone to ignore it because it is illegal, aren't right all the time.

So you need to look at why the parking companies won on those occasions, and find out what the exceptional circumstances were. It is possible that those exceptional circumstances were the same as this case.


As for your previous post about terrorist threats. It doesn't take a genius to work out that you can pack far more explosives in a car than a backpack. This is exactly the reason why private cars aren't allowed anywhere near the airport buildings.

24 wins out of 1.8m fake tickets issued, yes a very worrying trend :rotfl:

fisherjim

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

I don't have any agenda, except that I don't like the fact that there are people on forums that are giving out generic advice that may not apply to all situations. And that they won't listen to any other possibility, because they are on some sort of crusade.

My advice again would be to proceed with caution, especially if it is not just a supermarket car park issue, such as this case. This is the advice of all the experts that I have seen on TV. They don't give out generic advice as you do.

A security sensitive airport bus station is NOT the same as an ASDA car park.

Then why do the private companies that own airports employ the same scamming, gormless idiots that patrol supermarket car parks?

If security is their main objective, surely the PPC's would be moving people on, advising them where to park, and stopping them from leaving their vehicles. Instead they slap a charge on them after allowing them to contravene the rules or even watch them walk away from the vehicle.
Excellent security parking management? I think not!

Half_way

there are people on forums that are giving out generic advice that may not apply to all situations

Generic advice for genric situations, that is aprivate company that has absolutly no authority to do so is attempting to levey a fine/penalty dressed up as a contractual charge/parking charge notice.
APCOA, their management and their employees are !!!!!! if they think the signage at East midlands airport ( and im sure other airports where they opperate are the same) is enforcable, as its impossible to read it as your driving in - yes i have seen signs at that site, but other than an APCOA logo the rest of it is incomprehensable.
And thats not to mention that if there is any clause ( such as £80 charge for daring to stop ) is enforcable - it is not, it is a penalty and private companies can not enforce these on private land. be that an airport, hospital, or a supermarket car park.

As for your comparison between Security sensitve airports, and ASDA car parks - what planet are you on??
if we are going down the anti terrosism/security threat route, both are are public places where a lot of people cogregate, and both are just as sensitive.

Jamie_Carter

Stroma wrote: »

24 wins out of 1.8m fake tickets issued, yes a very worrying trend :rotfl:

But that is still 24 losses by people who you would have told to ignore the letters.......or can't you see that?

Jamie_Carter

fisherjim wrote: »

Then why do the private companies that own airports employ the same scamming, gormless idiots that patrol supermarket car parks?

Because they employ parking management companies. Those companies put up signs warning people what will happen if they park there. If people are then stupid enough to ignore those signs, then that's when these companies carry out their threats.

fisherjim wrote: »

If security is their main objective, surely the PPC's would be moving people on, advising them where to park, and stopping them from leaving their vehicles. Instead they slap a charge on them after allowing them to contravene the rules or even watch them walk away from the vehicle.
Excellent security parking management? I think not!

If people park for long enough for a tow truck to be mobilised, then they will be towed away. The fining system (legal or not), is for people who think they don't have to obey the rules that the rest of us do, but don't park for long enough to be towed.