Ratting on benefit cheats

meg72

Mojisola wrote: »

I don't think it's the reporting that the problem but the DWP's reaction to it. It's very unfair that any benefits should be stopped if a report of possible fraud is received until it has been investigated. That's treating people as guilty until they have proved themselves innocent.

Benefits should continue until positive proof of fraud is found. If the person is in the clear, the benefits can continue. If fraud is found, then the extra few weeks paid out while the investigation was in progress can be added to all the other money they have received fraudulently and claimed back from them.

That makes so much sense, too much perhaps for the powers that be. My Son had a serious mental illness and was wrongly accused.
His benefit was immediately stopped. By the time it was sorted out
He was facing eviction from his house, we lived on my income of pension credit for eight weeks, porridge and duvet time for both of us as he had to provide for two kids he had access for. It was very nice to get the back pay but not worth the stress and strain of trying to survive. I would say to anyone thinking of reporting please please make sure you are right. Dont put innocent people through this.

The_mangler

dseventy wrote: »

I own the horse. No one can take it off me.

Out of interest, whats so high about it. Is any of it incorrect?

D70

You are obviously incapable of having any ounce of humanity - I suspect you may be the DWP Fraud investigator who interrogated me and my husband

When the day comes that you have to rely on 'state intervention', and you are accused by some interfering busy body with an over inflated ego who tells themself when they wake up that theyre doing this for the good of their country :cool: then you may take a different stance. Until then sleep well and keep making those calls.

viktory

danaharrison wrote: »

i compleatly agree. while i would never condone de-frauding the welfare system, people that go out of their way to make malicious reports agains law abiding claiments should be birched! it can cause years of financial and mental strain not to mention a black mark on your file.

I think I have already asked this, but what the hell - how are the DWP supposed to prove that a report is malicious? All someone has to say is that they overhead their neighbour saying that they are claiming X, Y or Z without declaring their circumstances. Prove otherwise.

The_mangler wrote: »

You are obviously incapable of having any ounce of humanity - I suspect you may be the DWP Fraud investigator who interrogated me and my husband

When the day comes that you have to rely on 'state intervention', and you are accused by some interfering busy body with an over inflated ego who tells themself when they wake up that theyre doing this for the good of their country :cool: then you may take a different stance. Until then sleep well and keep making those calls.

Look, you have made it quite clear that you had an unpleasant experience and it tipped your already unstable husband over the edge. We get it. We are all terribly sorry. However, I have given you sensible advice and have pointed out that none of the unpleasantness you have suffered is the fault of the DWP. It is the fault of the people spreading the rumours. However, the implications of benefit fraud cannot be overlooked just in case someone gets upset.

sh1305 wrote: »

Daily Mail do too.

I would suggest it is less the fault of the Mail journalists, after all, they have a viewpoint as well - but more the fault of the people that read it but are unable to read between the lines and to ignore the sensationalist headlines, and make their own minds up.

My son reads the Mail and is very aware of the bias that is inherent in the reporting. Thankfully, he is intelligent enough to overlook it.

dseventy

The_mangler wrote: »

You are obviously incapable of having any ounce of humanity - I suspect you may be the DWP Fraud investigator who interrogated me and my husband

When the day comes that you have to rely on 'state intervention', and you are accused by some interfering busy body with an over inflated ego who tells themself when they wake up that theyre doing this for the good of their country :cool: then you may take a different stance. Until then sleep well and keep making those calls.

I have humanity.

What I don't have is sympathy for people who agree to the rules and scrutiny of a system and then moan when people check they are complying.

If you don't want the scrutiny, don't sign up!

If you do sign up as you need the help, don't moan about it when you are checked out.

The sensible posters on the thread have all agreed malicious "reports" are not fair. I agree to this.

What I suspect is you object to the term "state intevention". Call it what you like, but if you are signed onto the regime, don't come blabbering when they want to know about you.

When the day comes that you have to rely on 'state intervention'

How do you know I have not?

Until then sleep well and keep making those calls

Never made a call, but I do sleep like a baby.....

Why? I have my own money and my lifestyle choices are all mine.

D70

The_mangler

dseventy wrote: »

Why? I have my own money and my lifestyle choices are all mine.

D70

I hope you count your blessings then. My husband had all of his lifestyle choices taken away from him, and unless I leave him (or wait for him to die) mine are gone too. It would be lovely to be able to have all my own money but unfortunately all of our savings from working were eaten up a long time ago. My husband was a mechanical engineer, I am an accountant. We both put into the pot for many years and when it came our turn to take out I object to being patronised that I should be grateful for the pittance we are given due to disability.
Neither of us chose this life, forgive me for being disgusted at shallow people with nothing better to do than look down on others less fortunate

dseventy

The_mangler wrote: »

I hope you count your blessings then. My husband had all of his lifestyle choices taken away from him, and unless I leave him (or wait for him to die) mine are gone too. It would be lovely to be able to have all my own money but unfortunately all of our savings from working were eaten up a long time ago. My husband was a mechanical engineer, I am an accountant. We both put into the pot for many years and when it came our turn to take out I object to being patronised that I should be grateful for the pittance we are given due to disability.
Neither of us chose this life, forgive me for being disgusted at shallow people with nothing better to do than look down on others less fortunate

You have clearly stated your husbands position. I have responded to that.

The fact is that past contributions bare no relation to future entitlement. There is no need to be so bitter about the way the system works.

Secondly, its clearly more than a "pittance" or why put yourself your husband through it?

Its more than a pittance, not a life of luxury, but better than nothing and thats what its there to provide.

No one (certainly not me) acted shallow to you about claiming benefits. All that has happened is that I stated that its "state intervention", which it clearly is.

D70

The_mangler

dseventy wrote: »

You have clearly stated your husbands position. I have responded to that.

The fact is that past contributions bare no relation to future entitlement. There is no need to be so bitter about the way the system works.

Secondly, its clearly more than a "pittance" or why put yourself your husband through it?

Its more than a pittance, not a life of luxury, but better than nothing and thats what its there to provide.

No one (certainly not me) acted shallow to you about claiming benefits. All that has happened is that I stated that its "state intervention", which it clearly is.

D70

Because no matter how much or how little the amount is, its still all we have through no fault of our own. And I think Im perfectly entitled to be bitter when I see the shadow of a man I married, and to hear all those claiming benefits derided as work shy or scroungers

Indie_Kid

dseventy wrote: »

Secondly, its clearly more than a "pittance" or why put yourself your husband through it?

Some people have no choice. Or do you think carers really want to work for £53.90 for 35+ hours per week?

krisskross

sh1305 wrote: »

Some people have no choice. Or do you think carers really want to work for £53.90 for 35+ hours per week?

I'm a carer for my husband and I get precisely nothing despite him being in receipt of higher rate AA.

I have my state pension of £237 a month and this means that carers allowance cannot be claimed. At least if you get carers allowance you can earn up to about £100 a week without penalty.

Have to say though I never ever see myself as his 'carer'. I see myself as his wife who made certain promises about sickness and health etc many many years ago. It is a privilige to do my best to ensure he has the best life possible despite his ill health

viktory

The_mangler wrote: »

Because no matter how much or how little the amount is, its still all we have through no fault of our own. And I think Im perfectly entitled to be bitter when I see the shadow of a man I married, and to hear all those claiming benefits derided as work shy or scroungers

This thread is not supposed to be about you, or how hard you have got it, but about reporting suspected benefit cheats. You keep on and on about your own circumstances. It is not adding anything to the thread.