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starlight_xx

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

however eat to little and you go into starvation mode, or even worse like on those bloody dangerous VLCD diets a large portion of the weight loss comes from lean muscle mass which is disasterous and potentially fatal in the long term

Sorry I have to take serious umbrage at the 'bloody dangerous VLCD' comment you made. VLCDs are NOT dangerous if followed properly nor are they potentially fatal :mad: Being seriously obese is a heck of a bigger threat to peoples health

Proper VLCDs, like Cambridge, Lighter Life, Lipotrim & Exante are a very effective and SAFE method of fast weight loss. For most of them you need your doctors approval and are supervised. To dismiss them this way is incredibly unfair and misleading

Princess_x

Managed to eat a few grapes, and a burger. Estimate my cals today to be 450cals. I'm surprised i actually ate anything at all, as the idea of food was just repulsive. Can't eat anything else though, as I'm scared i might end up puking everything again.

fredsnail

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

FS you have lost .2 of a lb somewhere, i am on 200lb lost dead

I've corrected it now :j

Missy™ wrote: »

Fred out of curiosity is it % overall body weight lost in a week? Because the DIY team with their combined starting weight of 2910 (lbs?), minus what they lost in the first 2 weeks of the challenge, would have had to lose over 300 between them this week to get 12.7%?

Or am I understanding it wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time! )

The weekly % is that weeks loss divided by the challenge starting weight not the previous weeks team weight - but you've spotted an error in the formula - apologies I'll post a revised team chart shortly.

I've just rechecked the previous team challenges and the formulae are correct there so it's just this one that's gone awol

Princess_x

starlight_xx wrote: »

Sorry I have to take serious umbrage at the 'bloody dangerous VLCD' comment you made. VLCDs are NOT dangerous if followed properly nor are they potentially fatal :mad: Being seriously obese is a heck of a bigger threat to peoples health

Proper VLCDs, like Cambridge, Lighter Life, Lipotrim & Exante are a very effective and SAFE method of fast weight loss. For most of them you need your doctors approval and are supervised. To dismiss them this way is incredibly unfair and misleading

Not sure about them being a safe method of weight loss as I don't think losing weight too quickly is that good. But I do know that Eric is right, VLCD's ARE potentially fatal (note potentially) as I do know that if you're not getting the right amount of nutrients, then the body starts to eat away at the muscle, and this is a serious health risk to the heart muscle. You may think you're doing well on the scale, but the number on the scale could be muscle loss, and what you want is fat loss. Obviously if done correctly, they could be successful, but I wouldn't say they're the safest method of losing weight.

starlight_xx

Princess_x wrote: »

Not sure about them being a safe method of weight loss as I don't think losing weight too quickly is that good. But I do know that Eric is right, VLCD's ARE potentially fatal (note potentially) as I do know that if you're not getting the right amount of nutrients, then the body starts to eat away at the muscle, and this is a serious health risk to the heart muscle. You may think you're doing well on the scale, but the number on the scale could be muscle loss, and what you want is fat loss. Obviously if done correctly, they could be successful, but I wouldn't say they're the safest method of losing weight.

But thats my point if you just eat 500 cals a day then no its dangerous and could maybe be

The proper commercial VLCDs that I already mentioned are structured so that over the packs you have in the day you have ALL the nutrients/vitamins etc that you need. Your body doesnt eat muscle its not muscle loss. You go into ketosis and youre burning fat and losing weight in a totally safe way. You dont damage your muscle if you follow a proper VLCD and take all your packs.

They are absolutely safe, theyre medically approved. Doctors/the medical profession in general and NICE arent going to approve these diets if theyre dangerous

I dont mean to be rude but Im not sure that people critisciing them actually know the ins and outs of them

Eric_Pisch

starlight_xx wrote: »

Sorry I have to take serious umbrage at the 'bloody dangerous VLCD' comment you made. VLCDs are NOT dangerous if followed properly nor are they potentially fatal :mad: Being seriously obese is a heck of a bigger threat to peoples health

Proper VLCDs, like Cambridge, Lighter Life, Lipotrim & Exante are a very effective and SAFE method of fast weight loss. For most of them you need your doctors approval and are supervised. To dismiss them this way is incredibly unfair and misleading

nah there dangerous and a cruch for the desperate

and you dont even learn anything on them, they need to be banned or only performed under trained supervion from GPs

starlight_xx

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

nah there dangerous and a cruch for the desperate

and you dont even learn anything on them, they need to be banned or only performed under trained supervion from GPs

HOW RUDE!!! A crutch for the desperate??? / Are you really that ignorant or deliberately contraversial?

You clearly know absolutely NOTHING about these diets to make an ignorant statement like that

You learn plenty on them I assure you. Theres a carefully restructured plan for when you get to goal. And as I already said you need to get medical approval to go on them and theye all NICE approved

You may not agree with them, or like them, or indeed approve of them but its very unfair to go around making sweeping statements and incorrect comments and to be so downright rude about them when it sounds like you dont actually know the ins an outs of them

Clearly this thread is no longer the friendly supportive one it was before

Princess_x

starlight_xx wrote: »

But thats my point if you just eat 500 cals a day then no its dangerous and could maybe be

The proper commercial VLCDs that I already mentioned are structured so that over the packs you have in the day you have ALL the nutrients/vitamins etc that you need. Your body doesnt eat muscle its not muscle loss. You go into ketosis and youre burning fat and losing weight in a totally safe way. You dont damage your muscle if you follow a proper VLCD and take all your packs.

They are absolutely safe, theyre medically approved. Doctors/the medical profession in general and NICE arent going to approve these diets if theyre dangerous

I dont mean to be rude but Im not sure that people critisciing them actually know the ins and outs of them

Sorry i think you took my post in the wrong way. I know people that have been on VLCD's and have had great success. But personally, i just don't think it's that safe at all, and the risk is too great. True, obesity is too much of a health risk, but VLCD's are not the best way of getting rid of obesity healthily.

And i have read up on them, didn't think it was for me personally, as it's just not realistic for me to be on a very low cal diet with shakes etc.

Please don't think it's a personal attack on people doing VLCD's, I just don't think fast weight loss is healthy. I know anyone would want to lose 100lbs in 4-8 weeks, but I'd rather let my body do it the right way, ensuring that the fat stays off for longer. I know so many people who have been on VLCD's, have had successive fast weight loss, but when it comes to maintaining, they just pile it back on again with extra fat piled on top. I'm not saying this is the case for everyone on these plans, but that's just too much of a risk for me.

That's just my personal opinion. Sorry if you think it's a personal attack, it really isn't.

fredsnail

Here's the revised team chart - and the rightful winners of this week and last week are the Slimming World team.

starlight_xx

Princess_x wrote: »

Sorry i think you took my post in the wrong way. I know people that have been on VLCD's and have had great success. But personally, i just don't think it's that safe at all, and the risk is too great. True, obesity is too much of a health risk, but VLCD's are not the best way of getting rid of obesity healthily.

And i have read up on them, didn't think it was for me personally, as it's just not realistic for me to be on a very low cal diet with shakes etc.

Please don't think it's a personal attack on people doing VLCD's, I just don't think fast weight loss is healthy. I know anyone would want to lose 100lbs in 4-8 weeks, but I'd rather let my body do it the right way, ensuring that the fat stays off for longer. I know so many people who have been on VLCD's, have had successive fast weight loss, but when it comes to maintaining, they just pile it back on again with extra fat piled on top. I'm not saying this is the case for everyone on these plans, but that's just too much of a risk for me.

That's just my personal opinion. Sorry if you think it's a personal attack, it really isn't.

No thats fair comments, and at least youve actually looked into them

I did WW a few years ago as I said in earlier posts but to be honest the fact I put so much weight on (and that was after losing it in a slow and sure way) again I knew I needed something that was going to get me to goal quicker for the sake of my health. I honestly couldnt have gone on the way I was.

My doctor has given me absolute approval for it and I go see her regularly (by choice not because I have to)

I know theyre not for everyone but they do work very well for a lot of people and I do plan to go back to WW once Ive lost more weight as its not the most fun in the world sticking to shakes and bars lol


Oh, and hope youre feeling better soon Dont stress about eating when youre poorly getting better is the main thing