Nibe Fighter 360p ashp costing me loads to run

crphillips

I've been reading this thread with interest. I don't have an ASHP but it was something we looked into as a side line to installing wood burning stoves. I thought that they would go hand in hand with an ASHP.

I'm glad I've found this thread as it is clearly not economically viable and it isn't just a single case. It seems that loads of you are having expensive bills.

Just as a comparison......I live in big 3 bedroom 400 year old farm house. The ceilings upstairs are vaulted with zero insulation. The walls are 2 foot thick stone. No cavity, no insulation. We have single glazing and also one fireplace pulling warm air out of the house. It's about as inefficient as you can get. We have a 25 year old inefficient gas combi boiler. It is on 24 hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Also the village we live in is in a dip and generally around 4 degrees colder than other areas around us. We got down to minus 17 in the cold spell!

Our gas bill for the period of 2nd September - 3 December was £336.

Enough said......get them ripped out and put a gas combi in. I'm sure if we had a newer....more efficient boiler it would be less than £300 a quarter!

I feel sorry for you guys..........it's a shame to be giving all that money just to stay warm. Hope you get it sorted!

rhiwfield

crphillips wrote: »

I'm glad I've found this thread as it is clearly not economically viable and it isn't just a single case. It seems that loads of you are having expensive bills.

I'v read this thread (and many others) as I'm researching ASHPs for a possible home installation. In this case I sympathise for the people who have ASHP's that are not delivering, but I'm equally interested in the people who find ASHPs worthwhile.

I agree that economically ASHP's cost per kWh is prob worse than mains gas. But for those not on mains gas it may well be a viable option and not to be dismissed out of hand.

ra200

That is my point my mother’s 4 bed new build house is using £7.00p of gas per week when it was 0c outside when I tested it at home yesterday it was 10c outside and used £4.27p of electric in 24 hours

The nibe 360p is exhaust air source heat pump and is still using the immersion heater even yesterday when it was 10c outside the reason for this is there is is very little energy in the tiny amount of exhaust air the nibe extracts the so the nibe is reliant on the immersion heater and is too small for our house if Melin homes had installed a external mechanical air source heat pump such as a Hitachi Yutaki http://www.nu-heat.co.uk/s.nl/it.I/id.653/.f we would not need the a immersion heater and our bills would be half the price that they are now as the saying goes its always best to over engineer something than to under engineer it ,

I have also just found out the nibe 360p would not be eligble for the RHI tariff so i would not get the £1,614 per year for my size house http://www.nu-heat.co.uk/s.nl/it.I/id.645/.f for the RHI what a joke.

crphillips wrote: »

I've been reading this thread with interest. I don't have an ASHP but it was something we looked into as a side line to installing wood burning stoves. I thought that they would go hand in hand with an ASHP.

I'm glad I've found this thread as it is clearly not economically viable and it isn't just a single case. It seems that loads of you are having expensive bills.

Just as a comparison......I live in big 3 bedroom 400 year old farm house. The ceilings upstairs are vaulted with zero insulation. The walls are 2 foot thick stone. No cavity, no insulation. We have single glazing and also one fireplace pulling warm air out of the house. It's about as inefficient as you can get. We have a 25 year old inefficient gas combi boiler. It is on 24 hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Also the village we live in is in a dip and generally around 4 degrees colder than other areas around us. We got down to minus 17 in the cold spell!

Our gas bill for the period of 2nd September - 3 December was £336.

Enough said......get them ripped out and put a gas combi in. I'm sure if we had a newer....more efficient boiler it would be less than £300 a quarter!

I feel sorry for you guys..........it's a shame to be giving all that money just to stay warm. Hope you get it sorted!

denial2010

ra200 wrote: »

I have also just found out the nibe 360p would not be eligble for the RHI tariff so i would not get the £1,614 per year for my size house http://www.nu-heat.co.uk/s.nl/it.I/id.645/.f for the RHI what a joke.

Who told you that?! Nothing has been finalised with the RHI such as tariff rates and equipment as far as I know. Its still just a "proposal" with another round in Parliment still to go.

ra200

ASHPs can and do work well if it is the right size for the home, But the 360p is a exhaust air source heat pump and is a pile of junk,

To the rear of my house are a lot of private self-build houses i have been speaking to one owner who has a 4 bed house which is 3 times as big as our house and he showed me his Mitsubishi air source Heat pump system he always has the heating on plenty of hot water and he gave me his meter reading and then the next day he came over and give me the reading again and we both worked out the his external air source heat pump was using a quarter of electricity than our nibe exhaust air source heat pump it goes to show that the nibe can not cope with the needs of our house,

rhiwfield wrote: »

I'v read this thread (and many others) as I'm researching ASHPs for a possible home installation. In this case I sympathise for the people who have ASHP's that are not delivering, but I'm equally interested in the people who find ASHPs worthwhile.

I agree that economically ASHP's cost per kWh is prob worse than mains gas. But for those not on mains gas it may well be a viable option and not to be dismissed out of hand.

rhiwfield

ra200 wrote: »

ASHPs can and do work well if it is the right size for the home, But the 360p is a exhaust air source heat pump and is a pile of junk,

To the rear of my house are a lot of private self-build houses i have been speaking to one owner who has a 4 bed house which is 3 times as big as our house and he showed me his Mitsubishi air source Heat pump system he always has the heating on plenty of hot water and he gave me his meter reading and then the next day he came over and give me the reading again and we both worked out the his external air source heat pump was using a quarter of electricity than our nibe exhaust air source heat pump it goes to show that the nibe can not cope with the needs of our house,

Cheers ra200, that makes me feel a bit better but you must be sick to the back teeth of the Nibe. Really hope you get it sorted!

lovesgshp

What you should look at, is that Nibe have been taking over companies like they are going out of fashion. Their first involvement into the heat pump market was not until 1997 when it took over another company and again in 1998 with a second aquisition. From what I can see, both these other companies were quite small and new in the heat pump market.
Nibe seems to be trying to takeover too many companies, but that is my view. Check nibe.com and then history.

ra200

It is just a shame that Melin our HA did not install solar water panels they have retro fitted them in a close down the road from use that would have brought our electriciry bill down a fair bit and solar works even when its cloudy outside and they would have fitted nice or the rear roof side of our house and then between may and october I could just swtich the nibe off and still have hot water but from may to october i have to but the nibe 360p on just for hot water it just seems VERY NON-eco friendly for a housing association to install the nibe with out solar water,


Solar Water & Electricity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SeOjxkGwic&feature=player_embedded

Or even installed solar electricity and the electricty bills would have dropped even more you can get solar electric installed free from swalec http://www.swalec.co.uk/BeingGreen/Microrenewables/SolarPV/

Aceboyz

richardc1983 wrote: »

As I say until this is resolved you guys would be best off switching it off and using electric plug in heaters at least you would be warm.

I would love to switch the useless piece of garbage off but when you have 3 kids and need hot water everyday your kind off stuck in a catch 22. We have though about buying heaters and switching it off but like i say hot water is so needed in our house.

Aceboyz

crphillips wrote: »

I've been reading this thread with interest. I don't have an ASHP but it was something we looked into as a side line to installing wood burning stoves. I thought that they would go hand in hand with an ASHP.

I'm glad I've found this thread as it is clearly not economically viable and it isn't just a single case. It seems that loads of you are having expensive bills.

Just as a comparison......I live in big 3 bedroom 400 year old farm house. The ceilings upstairs are vaulted with zero insulation. The walls are 2 foot thick stone. No cavity, no insulation. We have single glazing and also one fireplace pulling warm air out of the house. It's about as inefficient as you can get. We have a 25 year old inefficient gas combi boiler. It is on 24 hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Also the village we live in is in a dip and generally around 4 degrees colder than other areas around us. We got down to minus 17 in the cold spell!

Our gas bill for the period of 2nd September - 3 December was £336.

Enough said......get them ripped out and put a gas combi in. I'm sure if we had a newer....more efficient boiler it would be less than £300 a quarter!

I feel sorry for you guys..........it's a shame to be giving all that money just to stay warm. Hope you get it sorted!

Thanks for your comments and to be honest i am so pleased we have put you off at least that is one less person who is going to get nailed by this system.

A brand new combi boiler would cost you about £150 - £200 a quarter they are so efficient now a days i am pushing so hard to get one installed.