Nibe Fighter 360p ashp costing me loads to run

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  • John_Pierpoint
    John_Pierpoint Posts: 8,391 Forumite
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    edited 19 January 2013 at 6:41AM
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    The pie on the left is 2009 the pie on the right is a dream of what the UK can achieve by 2020. Following government announcements, it is looking like the UK is really going to emulate USA and try a dash for cheap fracked gas. This gas will be burn in relatively cheap and very responsive jet engines to make electricity.

    A simple question: how much of Sweden's electricity is imported from Norway?

    There is a ding dong debate in the UK about how much of the UK hydrocarbons are imported from Scotland ?

    The UK has traditionally built power stations designed by accountants; coal is heavy and cheap, nuclear is "dangerous" electricity delivers itself over wires. So make the stuff miles away from the consumers in generators that are only 30% efficient and throw the spare heat into the nearest river or up a cooling tower.
    Wonderful fracked gas is now much more expensive than coal used to be, but the generators are relatively cheap and the gas netwotrk has already been built so build the new gas power stations nearer the consumers. The combination of efficient generators and shorter wires can up the efficiency from less than 30% to perhaps 66% (still have to throw away the heat in the water).
    So with a 3 to 1 efficiency in a heat pump and a 66% efficiency at the power plant, yes expensive heat pumps just about makes sense against burning the gas at 95% efficiency in the home.
    However the reality is that UK electricity is at best 50% efficient and the intermittent renewables are very expensive still.
    A government has to get re-elected - doubling heating bills does not help and having the lights "brown out" (who still has filament lights - unfortunately the majority of homes - you cannot replace a halogen bulb with an LED in many fitments) .

    Here is a picture of London's combined heat and power district heating scheme built by engineers in the land fit for heroes after World War2.

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  • lovesfarmbpha
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    UK look http://carbonindependent.org/sources_home_energy.htm


    Countries like Iceland (3,152 watts), Norway 2,812 watts, Finland (1,918 watts), Canada (1,910 watts), Qatar (1,757 watts), Sweden (1,692 watts), Luxembourg (1,549 watts), Kuwait (1,540 watts) among others have a much higher per capita power consumption than the United States does.
  • John_Pierpoint
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    ...............but several have a much smaller CARBON footprint:
    http://www.breathingearth.net/
    Hover the cursor over the individual county and see the carbon footprint of each citizen.
    Qatar is my favourite.
  • lovesfarmbpha
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    So there we have it.The comments from the Swedes on this forum and others clearly indicates that the UK homes affected are not a good enough standard to house the NIBE 360 or 200 model and that back up heating is required.
    Why did NIBE UK specify them into these homes?Why did NIBE UK return to ALL the homes a year later and say they are "working fine"?
    Why did NIBE UK say they had no part in specification when they did, a lot ?
    It is clear that sales teams have driven this small (20 employees)NIBE branch in the UK and destroyed & left in tatters the good name of NIBE.
    NIBE remove those responsible!
    But beware of changes as recently acquired by NIBE ,Alpha-Inno Tec Limited, has set up home on the same site as NIBE UK with the same director.Oh dear here we go again!
  • pd001
    pd001 Posts: 871 Forumite
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    But beware of changes as recently acquired by NIBE ,Alpha-Inno Tec Limited, has set up home on the same site as NIBE UK with the same director.Oh dear here we go again!

    They ll be worth keeping an eye on then
  • [Deleted User]
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    edited 5 February 2013 at 3:23PM
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    Is this what was featured in the Metro this morning?
  • lovesfarmbpha
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    BBC 1 prog rip off Britain is running another show about the NIBE boilers this Friday at 7.30pm. You may find that its not showing on your local BBC channel as local insight is on so if you have sky its channel 951 and upwards. Or watch it in the iplayer and no doubt some one will immortalise it on you tube.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r6zqg
  • John_Pierpoint
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    NIBE UK was shamelessly still promoting this Indian rope trick at "Ecobuild 2013"in the London Docklands exhibition centre this week.
  • muckybutt
    muckybutt Posts: 3,761 Forumite
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    I watched the BBC programme last night, the bills on there werent as bad as ours, we had a 9Kw Heatking system installed a good few years back now, the period of 70 days over Dec - Jan and part of Feb we got through £800 of electric, we actually had the leccy board ring us up to warn us about the high useage.

    It stayed turned off after that and I flogged it on ebay....paid for a mulitfuel stove with the proceeds :)
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