Any reviews or thoughts on these mattresses

walkon

Hi. Only came accross this forum while looking for reviews about some mattresses I am after.

I did see that someone called tim, don't recommend the brand I am going for but have already tried one of them. Can't be any worse than the two I have used before. Lol

I just wondered if anyone had used these mattresses and have any good or bad reviews. Not a lot on them.

This is from argos but have tried it in homestore.
Sealy Relaxation Double Mattress. Cat number 660/6312

And this. I have not tried this but it seems to be the same as the one from paul simon, only cheaper

Rest-Assured-BELLINI-Pocket-2000-Mattress

The one in paul simon is called, concerto 2000 Double Mattress.

Can't post links sorry.:(

Btw ever heard of a bed brand called jupiter? Sold in allied carpet shops.

Thanks

walkon

Does no one on this forum use any of them mattresses? The amount of people who use this forum, there should be. I need to buy very soon.

Also is dorlux a good brand or not? Plus anyone heard of Kaymed beds?

BTW as this is a money saving forum, you can get that same mattress in argos cheaper in tescos. Type this into google 205-5743. BTW I am not trade if thats what you are all thinking.

So can someone please advise.

Dark_Glasses

Hi

Long thread sorry.

I joined a few days ago just to post. I have spent a horrid amount of time yesterday, today, last month etc reading through these forums looking at beds/mattresses, hence length of post. Last year based on the info on this forum (thank you) I had bought my mum the Kozzeesleep Caversham at a very cheap price (Furnituredeal now bust), she is very happy with it. All roads did and still do point to pocket sprung mattresses as a starting point.

Now I am looking for a mattress for a OBC slatted based bed. 2 days ago I was wrestling between the Kozzeesleep Duchess and the Empress until I came across the post that said pocket springs were unsuitable for slats with more than a 1 inch gaps unless you adapt the base (I can't be bothered with that, and by all accounts pegboard is difficult to find in small sizes). Niggling at the back of my mind is the fact that I have a Silentnight (most uncomfortable) and it has sat on the slats for at least two years with no apparent worsening problem. Subsequently read that Empress was medium, so no go.

I do understand where Tim is coming from with his comments on pockets and slats, but why aren't everyone saying this? Surely, if pocket sprung should not be used with slats this would invalidate any warranty??? No response required as the answer is in the threads. I am struggling that there appears to be only a handful of mattresses suitable for my (unadapted, but easily apparently adapted) bed, logic tells me this cannot be so, but the seed has been sown... I wish I had never started researching.

Anyhoooo, mindful of Tim’s comments, I moved on to the pocket spring, double sided foam Madrid and Venice (which i understand Tim helped design/develop – good for him). Notwithstanding the wide slat/slim slat gap the rationale for double sided foam makes sense as I have become a serial monthly mattress turner, having partaken in this fun filled activity as a young child and returned to it following the problems experienced with my dipping mattress! I am very uncomfortable about a 1 year guarantee (my mobile costs less than half the price and has a two year guarantee). I am also worried about being too hot in bed (lol, but I really am). These concerns are holding me back from making the plunge. It would be good to have "I've had this or that mattress for 2.5 years and..." feedback Mum's Caversham has a five year guarantee.

My price findings are below, my excel spreadsheet is much bigger but this site does not like formatting. Note these are mattresses only and king size to boot, the first two without foam, but if you get one sided foam you won’t be able to turn (as per forum threads) so you may as well get pocket sprung without foam unless you go for Health Beds which I am still researching (as well as Alba).

!!!!!!-beds aka Tim give a 100% satisfaction guarantee, didn’t delve that far with the others, my excel schedule has far too many columns for me to share!!! I am tired of reading about mattresses, but it has become an addiction:(. Also there are not many detailed reviews from users (threads end as online punch ups!), and hard pushed to find somewhere to try out any of the mattresses I like. Although good MSE mattress review is here (oops newbie - no links allowed) search forum for "La Romantica Mattresses in the northwest" - wish there were more reviews like this for a variety of mattresses.

Don’t know any history about any of the suppliers (yet another research task). Need to re-check the 100% satisfaction guarantee as just discovered a thread on it, and am now worried again! Mynextmattress are uber cheap for KozzeeSleep (the Dewsbury based firm), and based in Leicester. However slightly scared as Furnituredeal were based in Leicester and uber cheap, they went bust. No suggestions that there is any connection though, more an observation - dyor + credit card (not maestro) is good protection for all transactions.

If anyone knows of Londonish sellers please let me know, it would be good to try, though not holding my breath.

Duchess 1500 springs (prices include delivery)
!!!!!!-beds.co.uk..........£425
lasseybedsdirect.co.uk.....£415
bedkingdom.co.uk............£335
onlinebeds.com................£339 delivery tbc
mattressesdirect.com.......£389
mynextmattress.co.uk......£299

Empress 1500 springs (including delivery)
!!!!!!-beds.co.uk........£474
mattressesdirect.com....£430
bedkingdom.co.uk..........£455
mynextmattress.co.uk....£415

Madrid 1000 (including delivery and Climasmart) FIRM
!!!!!!-beds.co.uk..........£534 (deduct £60 if Climasmart not required)
lasseysbedsdirect.co.uk....£539 (deduct £60 if Climasmart not required)
bedkingdom.co.uk............£505 (deduct £40 if Climasmart not required)
onlinebeds.com................£449 (free delivery tbc , no option for Climasmart, call to confirm)

Venice 1500 springs (including delivery and Climasmart) SOFT
!!!!!!-beds.co.uk............£594 (deduct £60 for Climasmart)
lasseysbedsdirect.co.uk.....£519 (no option for Climasmart, call to check)
bedkingdom.co.uk.............£560 (Deduct £40 if Climasmart not required)

One more, surfing just now on bedkingdom.co.uk online help (which were very good) mentioned the Apollo Calypso (1500 springs, 50mm foam) which is double sided foam and better value. They also do as a divan not sure if it is double sided foam, perhaps check, but it was very good value for money. Further research on this site states the quality has slipped, unless I can find old stock! Still awaiting Tim’s report/youtube video confirmation, unless I have missed it.

Apollo Calypso
Bishopsbeds.co.uk.....................£369
Furniture of style.co.uk................£318

Other key quotes on mattresses (not from me!!) that I have as aide memoires are

Slatted beds
As long as the slats are no more than 3" apart you could use a 2 sided pocket sprung and memory foam mattress. However you didn't say what size, and you won't get a decent one any bigger than a single within your budget.

If you really want pocket sprung, then you would have to lay a sheet of pegboard or hardboard over the slats to spread the weight out and protect the springs.

Memory foam and Reflex Foam
I don't know if you have slept on a reflex foam and memory foam mattress before, but they can be very hot and sweaty, as they don't allow air to circulate under the memory foam in order to dissipate the heat. The best type of memory foam mattress for both support and ventilation are pocket sprung with memory foam, but make sure they contain full size steel pocket springs, and not reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs, which are smaller and less supportive. You should easily be able to find very good quality ones if you stay away from big brand names, and big retailers, and buy on line instead.

Memory foam isn't damaged at all by compression because it is open celled, so the air can escape and doesn't cause stress on the structure of the foam.

Reflex foam however is a closed cell construction. This means it is constructed of loads of small bubbles which over time with constant squashing, will start to burst. This is why after a year or so you can notice a dip in reflex foam mattresses. Even the manufacturers say that a slight dip is acceptable, and won't accept it as a fault. Although any dip means that you no longer get the support you did when it was new.

[FONT=&quot]Latex Foam[/FONT]
Beware with latex mattresses, as there are many brands that don't use natural latex. They use either a blend, or synthetic latex instead, which don't have the same properties as natural latex. Also many brands only use a very thin layer, and in some cases this is only in zones.

Memory Foam Density
The memory foam should be 2" deep, with a density of 60 to 70kg per m3.

Hypnos
Hypnos are probably one of the best of the big brands. Just avoid their non turn mattresses.


Healthbeds Pocket Memory 1000
The same can also be said for the Healthbeds. They too make some very good quality mattresses, but this one contains reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs. And it only has 1" of memory foam on top of 1" of reflex foam.

Mattress Depth
I'd say go for a mattress at least 10" deep, but a two sided [memory foam] one will most likely be deeper.

Optimum Springs
There is very little difference as far as support goes between 1000 and 1500 pocket springs. In shops they like to tell you 'the more pocket springs the better'. However more than 800 pocket springs in a king size mattress is enough to do what pocket springs are designed to do. If a mattress has too many springs, then to fit them all in, and to keep the same firmness, they will be very small and waek, which could lead to them becoming damaged. I usually recommend betwenn 1000 and 1800.

You will often find that with similar models, if the spring count is different, then the firmness will be. So go for the firmness that you prefer, rather than worrying too much about the spring count.

The base will make a difference. A sprung base will give a softer feel than a platform top one.

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Note, I am not affiliated to anyone (nor a troll, WHAT is that?!), tried to be objective having read nearly every thread going. I hope this helps someone. It has helped me a tiny bit(!) but I am still undecided. The mattresses I have noted are the ones it seems easiest to find any sort of information on via MSE.

I am hoping my impending trip to retail park armed with aide memoire, no spending money/cards/id, spending an unhelpful 10 minutes on a minimum 10 inch foam (60-70kg per m3) topped mattress with at least 800 springs (steel ones) is useful!

For me comfort, price and service is key. I intend to speak to every one of the suppliers prior to purchase. My last mattress was bought at Argos reduced from £10m to 5p and was decided within 5 minutes of viewing the sale catalogue, the reduction meant it must be a good buy NOT!!!

The one good thing from all this reading is that it is unlikely that I will be spending anything near £900 on a mattress which is where I thought I was heading.

Please feel free to correct any mattress imperfections found in the above, as I am mattressed out and losing the will to sleep!

walkon

Thank you for the input dark glasses but I am disappointed with the lack of response on this forum.

I did have a quick search and found about a 50 page thread on bed's mattresses. I did not read very much as it seems to of descended into arguments with Tim and some others. I think tim was just trying to be helpful. At the end of the day, you can take it or leave it. Maybe that's why people have a, what mattress thread phobia. lol

Well even if i have not had any help, i am going to give some of the issues i have had with mattresses. With a picture to.

First I have now gone for the Sealy Pure Relaxation Mattress. I went in to homestore and more and they matched the price from tescos. It's the same and I tested it out.

They had Kaymed beds so i gave the memory pocket a try. It was no go. It only had 25mm or 1 inch of memory foam. That is not enough and I have been here before with another brand. The sales man said that 1 inch is fine and came out with, he has 30 years in the bed industry. You have to laugh at the rubbish you are told. :rotfl:

My mattress history.

About ten years ago I was using a standard open spring mattress. Now this was fine and in my eyes, offers much better support than what you can get today. Problems were, springs coming through the mattress and poking in your back. Not nice.

So I bought a pure foam mattress from some italian manufacturer. It was great for about 5 years but it was getting to hard.

So I went out and bought my first memory foam pocket mattress. I bought a slumberland from the now bust, sleep department. What a big mistake. It only lasted about six months and I could feel the springs coming through again. Sleep department then went into administration and slumberland refused to honor the guarantee. Got trading standards involved who told them it's legally binding. Still no luck so credit card claim.

Before I dumped my slumberland i cut it open to see why it had failed. It failed because it was poor quality and the memory foam was only 1 inch thick. So thats all there was between me and the pocket springs. Crap.

Here is a picture on the poor slumberland mattress and you can see why it failed.
This links thing is a pain. It's only a pic of my mattress problem.

http:// picturepush . com /public/4759693
http://picturepush.com/public/4759693


I then went and bought a relyon memory foam advanced 1250. It was really nice for the first 6 months then is dipped in the center. Got out someone who agreed and said to swap. So picked out a relyon pocket ortho 1000, same brand. lasted about a year and sank in the middle. Cut my losses.

I then got a foam mattress with 3 inches of memory from hypnia. Using it now but it's to hard and now need to change it.

I can't win.

So I don't recommend anyone buy slumberland or relyon mattreses.

walkon

I would still like to know about them other brands I asked about.
Seem to be having some problems with posts.

Dark_Glasses

Funny enough after posting I carried on reading (sad I know) and came across three reviews on Kaymed (search the forums). I went to Dreams and tried the only one they had and boy was it COMFORTABLE (but very expensive). Thank goodness I left my wits at home as I may have purchased it. Search the forums for Kaymed there were two other members who agreed that on how good it was.

I also liked the Inner Wisdom Monarchy which was £1,319 for a king size and the Slumberland Weymouth at £1,029. I have realised that i like memory foam but fairly firm.

The salesman hated me. He couldn't tell me how many kg per M3 even I don't know what it means!!!. He couldn't tell me how deep the foam was, let alone the depth of the mattress, nor whether the springs were steel. I forgot my notes so had to wing it. I asked about climar??? covers (forgot the name lol) and he told me that it was Viscose Nasa Foam developed for space so it would never get hot as it was very modern :eek:. I asked him if this was a selling point of the bed and where it stated this in the blurb (it didn't) he said only Tempur made such assertions the rest was a given. I asked him about spring/slat problems and by then he was ready to strangle me. He had never heard of anything like that in his 25 years, he became quite officious, but when I spoke to him about the logic of 2000 very small springs I saw realisation in his eyes which he refused to acknowledge aloud. Oh dear.

One thing I did like was that Dreams gave a 10 year warranty £49 (sounds too easy!!), but generally their guarantees are 1 year only (i hadn't realised that was standard, so something new learnt there)

I left knowing what I liked but also what I was not prepared to pay. Funny enough one couple bought the demo Kaymed.

I then went to Sleepmasters but was given so much tosh, that I actually left (politely of course). One of the many statements was that the foam/spring mattress should be rotated from top to bottom to regulate springs although it is non-turn, so then I queried if you regulate the top and bottom what about the underneath, the claptrap was so loud it was deafening for both of us! I could also see that there were people very interested in the questions I had to ask. It is actually quite a nice feeling to be armed with enough information to walk out, and I have to thank Tim Deegan for that:T. I feel very empowered I have to say.

I defo want foam/pocket springs now, so the Duchess/Empress are out. Am now looking at Kaymed, La Romantica and Inner Wisdom (apparently they are the same group as Kaymed and they produce for hospitals). Not convinced, it felt as if the salesman threw the Kaymed link in when he realised no way was I paying that price for a mattress. I even asked if he was sure, he said yes

Now to find a small bed retailer. Need to resolve this before the VAT increase and time is running out...

Rdel

Hey Walkon, you said above that you've been disappointed with the lack of response on this thread. I haven't posted as I'm assuming you've read all the threads on mattresses on here and I've already posted on the mattress I've got but I'll just update it here.

I bought the romantica madrid (£499 for kingsize and deduct £60 if you don't want the climasmart) about 4 weeks ago now. I've never slept on memory foam before so really wasn't sure to start with if I liked it or not. First couple of days me and the mrs woke up with backache and was all ready to exchange it but stuck with it and now am very happy I did. It meets all the criteria on Dark Glasses post and is very comfortable.

One of main reasons I'm posting just now is that you seem to have had a lot of problems with your last 3 mattress dying after only a short time. I bought mine from
bedl um beds and one of the reasons I did was because of a post I came across where the OP was posting to ask advice on what new mattress to buy because he had bought a bed from bedl um beds 18 months ago that had now gone soft. It was 6 months out it's warrenty but Tim got him to call in and arranged an exchange for him. Thought that was really good service. What bed place wants to see you again while the mattress is in warrenty never mind when it's 6 months outside of it.

As far as the Climasmart material goes I can't offer an opinion I'm afraid. My two year old quite often wakes in the middle of the night and comes in with us and my mrs will take her in to watch cartoons during the morning ect and in the past on our old mattress there have been a couple of spilled drinks ect so when we got the new mattress she has a waterproof mattress protector on it and then a normal mattress protector on top of that! Needless to say that this does not let any air filter through and totally defeats the purpose of the climasmart stuff.

Hope that helps.

SkeeterUK

All i know is i looked for a bed got advice most of which was common sense. Found a place called bishop beds. Saw the restus savoy double cheap and snaped it up and loving it after about a month.

Dark_Glasses

Rdel wrote: »

As far as the Climasmart material goes I can't offer an opinion I'm afraid. My two year old quite often wakes in the middle of the night and comes in with us and my mrs will take her in to watch cartoons during the morning ect and in the past on our old mattress there have been a couple of spilled drinks ect so when we got the new mattress she has a waterproof mattress protector on it and then a normal mattress protector on top of that! Needless to say that this does not let any air filter through and totally defeats the purpose of the climasmart stuff.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for this. I enjoyed your earlier review, very detailed. Did you buy the Climasmart cover? We also have the same situation re child, and have a waterproof JL total enclosure cover on our mattress, with a feather topper inside this also, and I couldn't find anything as to how covers interact with foam. I couldn't make out whether you have the cover and can't feel the heat from the foam because of the protector.


Also when you purchased the Madrid, were you looking for a medium firm mattress or a firm. I suffer from back problems esp in the winter, I sleep on my side. Do you have problems turning in the foam?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but you are full of relevant information.:T

Rdel

Yeah I got the climasmart material but as I said above I don't actually know if there's any difference to not having it as I've not really had the opportunity to really test it. As soon as the wee one gets kicked out I'll know more.

I was originally looking for a Firm mattress but I think the Madrid is a medium/firm. Regardless I'm happy with how firm it is. At the start I felt when you were lying in the one position for a while and then changed it took the foam a little while to remould to the new position so could feel lumpy for a bit but over the last week I've not noticed this at all and I do tend to toss and turn a little (nothing to do with the mattress and more to do with getting kicked in the throat at 2am by the tiny terror!).

On my old mattress I tended to sleep on my stomach but since getting the new one I tend to sleep more on my side and wake with no aches or pains.

Tim_Deegan

walkon wrote: »

I did see that someone called tim, don't recommend the brand I am going for but have already tried one of them. Can't be any worse than the two I have used before. Lol

The problem isn't with comfort when new, it's with long term reliability.