Boxing day tube strikes

FlameCloud

geordieracer wrote: »

Incase you have not read anything i have or anyone else has written most tube stock now is automatic.

I was not talking about the current trains that still require a driver to close the doors etc, I was talking about the dlr trains that have no driver at all. All controller by a central computer.

Cannot understand why the latest trains are not like this.

Stigy

geordieracer wrote: »

So your telling me they are not called drivers then? trains cant be driven either by your stupid logic so lets reduce their pay then...

I'm terribly sorry, that was a lame attempt at humour, and something you clearly lack. I'll explain...A TUBE itself can't be driven, a TUBE TRAIN (or Underground Train) on the other hand can. What is a tube?

Dictionary.com wrote:

Tube -
a hollow, usually cylindrical body of metal, glass, rubber, or other material, used esp. for conveying or containing liquids or gases.

geordieracer

FlameCloud wrote: »

I was not talking about the current trains that still require a driver to close the doors etc, I was talking about the dlr trains that have no driver at all. All controller by a central computer.

Cannot understand why the latest trains are not like this.

Because the unions wont let the safety case pass to be non driver as it would lose lots of jobs.. And if im honest thats good..

geordieracer

Stigy wrote: »

I'm terribly sorry, that was a lame attempt at humour, and something you clearly lack. I'll explain...A TUBE itself can't be driven, a TUBE TRAIN (or Underground Train) on the other hand can. What is a tube?

Your an idiot.

ryantcb

geordieracer wrote: »

I've looked at the facts. Its generally the same as the dispute Northern Rail had with their staff.

as i said before normally i would support you but this time i just dont see it. I dont see no picket lines of you trying to get your point across to the average joe. i see non of you out there waving your banners.
Just what would these banner have said? "What do we want? boxing day off, when do we want it? NOW"
you walk pass someone not working and asking for that very day off and not point out that they are off so what they striking for..
I do see tubes moving though.
Yep but being an xmas bank holiday fewer passengers where travelling so less of an inconvenience, unlike RMT strikes who go out when people are trying to get to work
]surely its you lot just trying to have your cake and eat it.
Just how do you work that out?

!!!! knows where my mayor has been ive been !!!!ing working.

you would normally support the strike but this time because its people asking for their employers to honour the original terms of an agreement you do not?

Stigy

geordieracer wrote: »

Or does your accreditation mean you dont have a clue. No wonder people over at rail uk laugh at you both on the forum and behind your back.

Steady on there, lets not get carried away. This isn't RailUK so I really don't think you should be attacking me like that, do you?

geordieracer wrote:

Your an idiot

As I said, personal attacks really aren't needed. At least if you're going to call somebody an idiot, spell the word 'you're' in the correct context.

geordieracer

ryantcb wrote: »

you would normally support the strike but this time because its people asking for their employers to honour the original terms of an agreement you do not?

I would expect the normal amount of banners that they have out - ASLEF or RMT..

The employers honoured their agreement with an ask of a few more people in to work. What you have done is taken the WHOLE workforce out because they would not give you triple pay for having most of the workforce out.

geordieracer

Stigy wrote: »

Steady on there, lets not get carried away. This isn't RailUK so I really don't think you should be attacking me like that, do you?

As I said, personal attacks really aren't needed. At least if you're going to call somebody an idiot, spell the word 'you're' in the correct context.

Could not care less about my spelling its late ive had a hard day at work and you're(just for you) still an idiot. Dont like it ? hit the abuse button.

And stop comparing the operation of an underground train(is that better for you?) to a mainline train.

Worlds apart

ryantcb

FlameCloud wrote: »

I was not talking about the current trains that still require a driver to close the doors etc, I was talking about the dlr trains that have no driver at all. All controller by a central computer.

Cannot understand why the latest trains are not like this.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23833537-dlr-fined-pound-450000-for-failing-to-stop-train-that-killed-man.do

Docklands Light Railway operator Serco has been fined £450,000 after it failed to stop a train which hit and killed a man who had fallen off a platform.

Robert Carter, 34, stumbled on to the lines at All Saints station following a late-night argument with another passenger, Paul Green.

Mr Green telephoned police to say Mr Carter had a knife and had fallen on to the track.

Officers asked the DLR control room to check if someone was on the lines, but this was treated as an “informal request” rather than an actual report, Southwark Crown Court was told.

A control room operator failed to see Mr Carter on the track and did not halt the trains, which are automatic and do not have an actual driver.

Shortly afterwards another member of the control room staff saw a police officer on All Saints station's CCTV waving his arms above his head.

This operator immediately pressed an emergency plunger to halt an oncoming train but it was too late. The wheels struck Mr Carter, who suffered serious injuries and died in hospital.


“DLR staff looked at the station on their CCTV monitors, which are not suitable for seeing if anyone is on the track, and failed to see Mr Carter. The train which killed Mr Carter could have been stopped before reaching the station.”

Jurors were played a recording of the British Transport Police call to the DLR control centre, in which line controller Paul Day was heard to say: “There's certainly no one on the track.”

If the train had a driver Mr Carter may still be alive. Need I say more

dacouch

ryantcb wrote: »

5)With TFL refusing to run a "Sunday service" ASLEF said ok we will work for triple pay. TFL was supposed to counter offer
6)TFL just went to the press and said we was striking for triple pay when we had agreed not to take extra money in 1996.
7)Surely this is TFL trying to have their cake and eat it.

So you tried calling TFL's bluff but they out flanked you but you accuse them of wanting their cake and eating it.

He who lives by the sword dies by it