MSE News: Tuition fees to hit £9,000 as Government wins vote

Lokolo

AndyGuil wrote: »

It rises every year and does track inflation.

The threshold? If so, please link it, as I couldn't find anything on this.

wiggywoo2

I'm sorry but for normal people a massive debt is very frightening. There is no way that my kids will get a university education now. The cost would be prohibitive. So there will be no student debt for us or them.
I'm still working out how much the whole cost of doing a degree would be.
Tuition fee £9x3 or 4 x 2kids. Yep thats to be paid back at a unknown interest rate! at a later date. Acommodation costs. ? amount X2 kids. Food costs x2, books ectX2 living costs rates electricity etcx2. Im sorry but I know that would be their debt. That is far too much for an 18 yr old to take on. So dont come moaning to me when you cannot get a NHS dentist near you or you cannot get a appointment quickly. Dont moan at me when there is a enormous skill shortage. When your 20 years older and are waiting to be seen or waiting in the inevitable huge queue at the local hospital.
The system is far from perfect. Yes there are students that are doing useless degrees to avoid getting a real job.
Yes there are massive impovements that could be made in the time spent in uni (wasted time between lectures etc) A lot of degrees could be completed much sooner.
There is a huge range of improvements that could be made to the system that we have at present.
But no. They take the easy option, the one that take very little brain power or forward thinking. They increase the tuition fees. Easy very easy.....No thinking things through, no forward thinking, no looking at the whole problem, nothing just increase the fees. Thats the one and only solution is it. Oh dear thats all they can come up with is it. How long did that take 5- 10 mins. Wow.
What they are doing is make it an rich mans/womans hobby. Further education is now just for the rich.

AndyGuil

Lokolo wrote: »

The threshold? If so, please link it, as I couldn't find anything on this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

Lokolo

AndyGuil wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

Thanks for this. I am surprised they have done this!

The_One_Who

wiggywoo2 wrote: »

I'm sorry but for normal people a massive debt is very frightening. There is no way that my kids will get a university education now. The cost would be prohibitive. So there will be no student debt for us or them.

At eighteen years old that will be the choice of your children, not you. Are you seriously going to try to stop them from going to university? Both engineering and dentistry are good, vocational courses and both have good employment prospects, as far as I am aware.

I do not agree with the 'progressive tapering system', nor do I agree with the free years for those who received free school meals. That is such a bad indicator of the 'poorest students' because it completely ignores those from poor working families, often earning the same annual income as those on benefits.

Lokolo

Aless wrote: »

I do not agree that everything that taxes pay for in this country are the basics. But if basics were the right word, I would define that to include university education for people who would benefit. No doubt this is a fundamental disagreement that we cannot solve.

I agree with this. But unless its the same across the board, its very hard to stop students going to this one area.

For example, if they said all X courses are free, I suspect there will be a lot of uptake of this course, leading to the problem we have today, where there are a lot more graduates than jobs! So I don't really have a solution for it.

C_Mababejive

vaporate wrote: »

Taxpayers are paying the fees.

Until the grad earns over a certain threshold.

Indeed and i do hope they pursue them with renewed vigour as from anecdotal evidence,a lot of students do all in their power to dodge repaying anyway. I say jail non payers.

AndyGuil

Lokolo wrote: »

Thanks for this. I am surprised they have done this!

It's about being fair, not generous. I think it is better than the alternatives which were to reduce places for students (remember the fiasco last year?) or to put a graduate tax on people, which would have meant everyone left the country after graduating.

wiggywoo2

Ha ha ha. Now your making me laugh.
I will just kick them out of our house when they leave college.
They can go and join the dole queue. They can do whatever they like. Im saying that they would not be likely to take on that amount of future debt at 18. But maybe they will. I will let you know in 6 or 7 years.
Place your bets people.
I love your positivity.
Such a shame...

Brini5

Does anyone know what these tuition fee rises will mean for those who want to do postgraduate study such as doctorates?