MSE News: Tuition fees to hit £9,000 as Government wins vote

sirmarcus

Hellz85 wrote: »

The part that angers me is the tuition itself. The Uni I went to (Bath Spa) will probably be charging £6700 a year under the new fees. By the 3rd year tuition went down to 5 hours a week. At the time I think the fees were £1000-£1500. £6700 for 5 hours tuition a week?! I can't remember how many weeks there were in the year but for the sake of this we'll call it 30. That's about £45 per lecture/seminar!?! That doesn't take into account lectures being cancelled. Education should be of value- not a complete rip off!

Er no...The rip-off is wth almost 50% of school leavers going to uni !! It needs to be a lot tougher as per the old days !!:)

The_One_Who

Hellz85 wrote: »

The part that angers me is the tuition itself. The Uni I went to (Bath Spa) will probably be charging £6700 a year under the new fees. By the 3rd year tuition went down to 5 hours a week. At the time I think the fees were £1000-£1500. £6700 for 5 hours tuition a week?! I can't remember how many weeks there were in the year but for the sake of this we'll call it 30. That's about £45 per lecture/seminar!?! That doesn't take into account lectures being cancelled. Education should be of value- not a complete rip off!

So you never used the library, a heated and lit room, the admin staff, the sports/leisure facilities, the clubs, the subsidised student bars, and everything else the fees help pay for?

Hellz85

What sports/leisure facilities? What heating? Library facilities are paid for through fines. I'm sure many a past student will tell of essays being marked but not read. SU's make money in the same way a pub would.

Lokolo

Hellz85 wrote: »

What sports/leisure facilities? What heating? Library facilities are paid for through fines. I'm sure many a past student will tell of essays being marked but not read. SU's make money in the same way a pub would.

The SU is partly subsidised by the university.
Libraries do not run themselves and paid for by fines.
What do you mean what heating? Buildings have heaters to keep the place warm....
Electric costs for computers. Electric isn't free. Neither is gas.

The_One_Who

You university doesn't have a gym? It must have clubs and societies, which will no doubt receive funding from the university.

At my library (one of the best academic libraries in the country) a normal fine is 5p/day. Annual access to a single electronic journal is thousands. You don't need to be a university student to work out that fines aren't going to cut it. What about the lighting and heating in there? Or the energy (and maintenance) costs of running the computers and the printers and photocopiers? What about staff costs?

You never had a heated lecture theatre? You should complain about that. What about lights? Must have had them. What about the lecturer who has had to fill in a book's worth of paperwork just to get the course approved, never mind everything needed to prepare it? Or the time spent marking coursework and exams? The admin people responsible for ensuring the department can actually run need paid, and so do the cleaners and caretakers.

sirmarcus

Hellz85 wrote: »

Library facilities are paid for through fines.

Rubbish...library facilities are paid throungh council taxes. Fines are just more money !!:)

oompahloompah

Rossy. wrote: »

Why should my taxes pay for it?

We ALL need doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists, architects, teachers, pharmacists and so on, all of which need a degree for entry level.

LolaLemon

ManicMum wrote: »

Where are the other threads? I really want to vent some anger about this but most of my friends are Scottish and feeling smug because there aren't any in Scotland (yet). I am not even a student but just outraged by this and concerned for my children and what it will mean for them.

Why are more people not outraged by this? Total assault on working classes.

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do you feel the anger?

doesnt effect me yet, i too am in a Scottish University... I havnt read everything on this, but i know that if this comes into effect in Scotland, i will most likely need to quit as with a £7000 student loan per year (x 4 years) to pay back i wont be able to add the fees on top, I'd be paying for the rest of my life with no way of saving for my retirement (what retirement? got student loans to pay off!)

I agree, not as many from the working classes will go to Uni in the future, it would be different if their was jobs available, but in reality their isnt.
Im doing a 4 year degree, im a mature student (28) with a 3 year old son (single parent). Ive worked since i was 15 up til my work (6 years with them) discriminated against me as i was a single parent who breastfed, I didnt take them for indirect sexual discrimination (employment law specialist advised me to), instead i decided to go to college and from their i got encouraged to go to uni, even though im in the 1st year of my course, i know im going to have to do a post graduate into something else to make me more 'employable', and whilst doing all this, ive taken up 2 languages to help!
Im putting myself through all this to give my son (and me) a better life, as the only other option available to me is benefits. Their are NO jobs here, have been none for 3 years now. I know if i was still working, i would rather my taxes went on someones education, in the hope that they get a job and pay taxes back instead of it going to a layabout with no intentions or hopes of ever getting a job. (not a dig at everyone on benefits, just those who know how to play the system and never intend to get a legit job!grrr)

Does these fees affect college courses? as you need a HNC (in Scotland) to work in childcare, social work, care homes etc.... and not many people will want to go with the prospect of loans hanging over them for ever!

sirmarcus

oompahloompah wrote: »

We ALL need doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists, architects, teachers, pharmacists and so on, all of which need a degree for entry level.

Not if they haven't had a tough education !!:)

wiggywoo2

Ok. I think I can remember something in our recent history (being 48)
Once upon a time business and major goverment organisations in this country were moaning that there were too few people with the skills needed to fill professional and skilled professions. Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers etc.
So the had to recruit from outside of uk and look towards Africa, Austrailia and Nz etc to fill all the posts ie Teachers, Drs, Consultants.
So guess what going to happen in 10-20 years from now.
Oh yes I can see it now in my crystal ball.........Its all becoming clear.

We as a country benefit greatly from graduates. Youngsters who come from a average background with average parents earning average pay will NOT be able to afford to go.

Not everyone wants to be treated in hospital by some plummy upper class !!!!. The balance in this society has shifted big time today.

Ive been saving for my kids to go to uni. To help them through it so that the debt would be not so great. Ive told them to try hard at school and do the best they can. They are 11 and 12. Whats the point now. We fit nicely in the bracket like most others who are not poverty striken and not wealthy. There is no way they will be going now.

They can just join the other kids now and mess about in school. Treat it like a social club. Because my daughter who wanted to go into dentistry and my son who is into engineering can go join the dole queue with everyone else.....