MSE News: Tuition fees to hit £9,000 as Government wins vote

C_Mababejive

I'm glad they are paying their fees because if they didnt then I and other workers would have to.

The_One_Who

vaporate wrote: »

And students should pay for unis gas bill now? lol

Behave.

9K a year is not worth it, more so with just a few hours of lectures each week.

I can see distant learning taking off

As for the ppl clapping over this, then expect more competition for your job lol.

It is highlighting that their fees do not only pay for the lectures. They make use of a whole host of services and staff, directly or indirectly.

vaporate wrote: »

Economy to blame not degree choice.

People with good 5 GCSE C grades should get a simple, standard job yet do not.

I would suggest that the economy was struggling to properly deal with the number of graduates even prior to the financial collapse. A degree used to mean something, but now it's just one more thing you need to have to even have a hope of moving up the career ladder.

Aless wrote: »

Wow. I am really shocked by all these people saying make the students pay. I think it is a complete betrayal of young people and will be a huge impediment to social mobility meaning those that are poor or not even that poor but bright and motivated will not be able to get on in life. Students will now have to take on debt of more than there family's annual gross income to get a degree. That is very scary if you are from a low income family. And you know what they do pay it back because if they earn more they pay more tax and get into to the higher rate band if not the 50% more band. Uni often does allow people to change their lives and future to be something they could never have been otherwise.

What happened to education being a good in itself? I would far rather live in a country of high educated people who knew how to think rather than knee jerk reactors talking nonsense. Why should education be about the market place?

What about the good the country gets from educated young people. If we do not have a highly skilled work force how are we going to compete as a country? How are we going to do all of this knowledge based economy which seems to be our only hope as a country.

50% of people should not be going to uni it should be much less. Not everybody should be forced down an academic route but what are the other options? You need a degree for almost anything now. But what happened to proper apprenticeships i.e 4 to 5 years training after which people were truly skilled? Oh yes, private employers did not want to pay and then they get the government to pick up the tab for all education and complain that people are not skilled enough. Encouraging people to go to uni to keep the unemployment figures down and then get themselves into £30 - 50k worth or debt is a betrayal twice over.

I think most people would be all for a decrease in the number of students, but since that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon there needs to be other solutions. I would also fully support more options being available and respected.

I am all for education for education's sake. I am whole-heartedly against universities being used as graduate factories.

vaporate

The_One_Who wrote: »

It is highlighting that their fees do not only pay for the lectures. They make use of a whole host of services and staff, directly or indirectly.



I would suggest that the economy was struggling to properly deal with the number of graduates even prior to the financial collapse. A degree used to mean something, but now it's just one more thing you need to have to even have a hope of moving up the career ladder.



I think most people would be all for a decrease in the number of students, but since that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon there needs to be other solutions. I would also fully support more options being available and respected.

I am all for education for education's sake. I am whole-heartedly against universities being used as graduate factories.

Yes I totally agree with text in bold.

Students are actually pushed while in sixth form to go to uni by their teachers. No doubt so they can say how well they are performing as a institution.;)

Lokolo

Aless wrote: »

Finally, I am so sick of the politicians saying but people do not understand the proposals. Also saying the plans are fairer because they will mean a lower monthly payment but much more to repay is treating people like they are stupid. Stop treating people like they are stupid, they do understand they just think the plans are fundamentally flawed.

That is because a lot don't. Some users of this forum have been saying that on the news someone was arguing its unfair on poor people because they can't afford to go, as it's "too expensive". Loans are provided for everyone. The repayment is a fair method.

A lot of people are against the higher fees because its a lot of money. But how is it fair that everyone has to pay to subsidise part of the country? It isn't.

vaporate

C_Mababejive wrote: »

I'm glad they are paying their fees because if they didnt then I and other workers would have to.

Taxpayers are paying the fees.

Until the grad earns over a certain threshold.

Aless

Lokolo wrote: »

That is because a lot don't. Some users of this forum have been saying that on the news someone was arguing its unfair on poor people because they can't afford to go, as it's "too expensive". Loans are provided for everyone. The repayment is a fair method.

A lot of people are against the higher fees because its a lot of money. But how is it fair that everyone has to pay to subsidise part of the country? It isn't.

How do you know it is a subsidy? Do you not agree that if graduates earn more they pay more income tax, spend more so pay more VAT, buy more expensive property so they pay more stamp duty.

Lots of things are a subsidy, all taxes pay for things that some but not everyone uses. Some tax payers subsidise others using the NHS, or the courts, or police, or 1001 other things. Your statement is overly simplistic.

All of that is also ignoring that education is a good in itself.

Providing a loan does not mean it is fair

Lokolo

vaporate wrote: »

Taxpayers are paying the fees.

Until the grad earns over a certain threshold.

Thats only a delay factor though. I don't think the threshold gets risen every year. So after 10 years of inflation, I suspect everyone (or at least 90%), will be paying back their loan.

Lokolo

Aless wrote: »

How do you know it is a subsidy? Do you not agree that if graduates earn more they pay more income tax, spend more so pay more VAT, buy more expensive property so they pay more stamp duty.

Lots of things are a subsidy, all taxes pay for things that some but not everyone uses. Some tax payers subsidise others using the NHS, or the courts, or police, or 1001 other things. Your statement is overly simplistic.

All of that is also ignoring that education is a good in itself.

Providing a loan does not mean it is fair

This isn't gauranteed.

My statement isn't overly simplistic. I have made the same reasoning over and over again.

Taxes pay for the basics in life; health, safety and education. The basics. If we want more than the basics, we pay for them e.g. cosmetic surgery, home safety alarms, body guards and university. They all come under health safety and education - what our taxes go towards, yet they aren't available for free.

AndyGuil

Lokolo wrote: »

Thats only a delay factor though. I don't think the threshold gets risen every year. So after 10 years of inflation, I suspect everyone (or at least 90%), will be paying back their loan.

It rises every year and does track inflation.

Aless

My statement isn't overly simplistic. I have made the same reasoning over and over again.

Taxes pay for the basics in life; health, safety and education. The basics. If we want more than the basics, we pay for them e.g. cosmetic surgery, home safety alarms, body guards and university. They all come under health safety and education - what our taxes go towards, yet they aren't available for free.[/QUOTE] [Sorry not good with the quoting]

I do not agree that everything that taxes pay for in this country are the basics. But if basics were the right word, I would define that to include university education for people who would benefit. No doubt this is a fundamental disagreement that we cannot solve.