MSE News: Tuition fees to hit £9,000 as Government wins vote

Johnburton

laughingboy wrote: »

Well no more subsidising students.

Now, how about making children pay to go to school. Because I don't have children, why should my taxes subsidise somebody else's? If these kids want to 'better' themselves they bloody well ought to pay for it...

Or how about making people pay to for hospital treatment. I haven't needed an operation in decades. Why should I pay for them.

olly300

WhiteHorse wrote: »

And we don't actually need meeja studies, sports studies, goat yodelling, underwater basket weaving and the rest.

These are not essentials.

One of my science teachers at secondary school - Chemistry - did Sports Science. She also taught PE.

The school saved money as they didn't have to pay for another qualified PE teacher, as while there were other teachers who taught sport they weren't qualified so could only to the outside school clubs.

Johnburton

Lokolo wrote: »

I like to look at it the other way round. You get your own education free, and pay it back when you are earning.

Even better, why not charge for childbirth. Each new baby gets a birth loan. to be payed back when they are 21. Why should people who have no children pay for those idle slackers who lie around eating and sleeping all day.

Get a grip everyone. Not every student does media studies. My son does chemistry, works very hard, and wants to do well. Yes he likes to go out and have a few pints now and then. Everyone needs to relax.

Bit ironic that plenty of the people whinging on here probably got student grants, free milk at school (outrageous) and free prescriptions.

The_One_Who

Johnburton wrote: »

Or how about making people pay to for hospital treatment. I haven't needed an operation in decades. Why should I pay for them.

You're not really understanding the difference between these things. An operation is usually not a choice. Of course, something like cosmetic surgery is a choice and as such is not provided for free on the NHS. Compulsory schooling is not a choice and is therefore provided for free. University is a choice, and so should be paid for by the individual. In this case there is a compromise between the student paying and the tax-payer paying through the loan system.

Yes, the UK will always need doctors and engineers and such, but I think it's a dangerous system to go down if you start funding some but not others.

Lokolo

Johnburton wrote: »

So does that mean that if you need an operation in hospital and I don't, that I shouldn't pay towards your operation. That seems to be the principle of what you are saying.

No it's not but I cannot be bothered to repeat myself.

Lokolo

The_One_Who wrote: »

You're not really understanding the difference between these things. An operation is usually not a choice. Of course, something like cosmetic surgery is a choice and as such is not provided for free on the NHS. Compulsory schooling is not a choice and is therefore provided for free. University is a choice, and so should be paid for by the individual. In this case there is a compromise between the student paying and the tax-payer paying through the loan system.

Yes, the UK will always need doctors and engineers and such, but I think it's a dangerous system to go down if you start funding some but not others.

You did it for me, thanks

paddedjohn

whitehorse wrote: »

how it panned out in reality was rather different.

To put it crudely, greedy councils simply applied the former ratable value to each adult. Thus, your family of 3 that was paying £1000, suddenly found it was paying £3000.

Which was of course impossible.

bloody hell thats expensive. My dads rates were £900 just for himself whilst 2 doors away were also £900 for a family of 5, 4 of whom were adults, our poll tax rate was £250 pp so the neighbours total bill was £1000 and my dads would have been £250. Totally fair i think

Oldernotwiser

wiggywoo2 wrote: »

I'm sorry but for normal people a massive debt is very frightening. There is no way that my kids will get a university education now. The cost would be prohibitive. So there will be no student debt for us or them.

Let's hope your children get some decent, unbiased advice rather than this ignorant waffle. Have you any idea of how much your dughter would earn as a dentist, compered to the money she would earn in a job she might get after leaving school?

Thank goodnwss that most teenagers take little notice of what their parents say!

vaporate

WhiteHorse wrote: »

And we don't actually need meeja studies, sports studies, goat yodelling, underwater basket weaving and the rest.

These are not essentials.

lol I'm sure people who do these courses are realistic about their future.

In todays society a degree is more seen as basic now by some employers.

Percy1983

As mentioned if they choose to go then they pay, it should stop the Mickey Mouse course too and make the whole phrase of 'I have a degree' mean something again.

As it is I did an apprenticeship and got paid £40 a week at first, now if I add up how much lost income I have from the early days (below 10k) then it equates to about 18k. But it was my choice and I have paid for it.