Divorcee remarrying in Catholic church?

Soubrette

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Whilst I agree that every religion should have 'rules' those rules were made centuries ago when life was very different to what it is now.
Society has changed enormously and so have many of the 'rules' within society itself so I feel that religion should move with the times as well.

How can it though?

It is supposed to be a contract between God and believer, how can believer renegotiate and yet still believe in God?

POPPYOSCAR

Soubrette wrote: »

How can it though?

It is supposed to be a contract between God and believer, how can believer renegotiate and yet still believe in God?

Are you referring to marriage?

Soubrette

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Are you referring to marriage?

No the whole belief thing

So, if I do what my God (through certain intermediaries) tells me, then I will get a posthumous reward.

If you don't believe the intermediaries then why believe in their God?

If you have a personal direct experience of God then why believe in any religious trappings (not meant to be disparaging but can't think of a better word - trimmings?)?

POPPYOSCAR

Because to some obviously(not me) it is important to their beliefs that they marry in the eyes of god ie. in their church.

How is it fair on a man/women who through no fault of their own is left by husband/wife, meets someone else does not want to 'live in sin' should they then have to spend the rest of their lives alone? Not in my world anyway.

As I said I was brought up a strict Catholic, went to convent school and mass every week, I saw so much hypocrisy and bad behaviour all around me that I do believe in God but do not follow the Catholic faith.

Plans_all_plans

Yes, in the eyes of the Church these things are sins, there's no denying that. However, the Church recognises that people are tempted/fallen and that they cannot/will not always adhere to 'the rules' for a multitude of reasons, this is why there is Confession. So, we can say that the rules of the Church are in fact 'ideals' as the institution recognises that people do not always live up to them.

I went into my Catholic marriage with my eyes open: knowing that if my husband turned into an adulterer and we divorced that I would not be able to remarry with the blessing of my Church as I had already vowed to be with my husband for life, 'for better, for worse'. I am not saying that if he went off with someone else I'd be overly happy about the Church's teaching, BUT it is what I know would happen. The moral is that a Church wedding is not for you if you can't understand that you are forsaking yourself to all others for life, pretty much whatever happens.

zaksmum

Plans_all_plans wrote: »

You do not know nor understand the Church's stance on this issue. Contraception is NOT totally banned, only artificial contraception. You can use natural family planning methods with no problems at all. My parents have been married over 30 years and only ever used natural methods (and only ever had 2 children) and my husband and I only use natural contraception.

The Church teaches that a married couple should be open to receiving a child when they are having sex (as procreation is seen as the most important part of human sexuality) and therefore artificial contraception is banned as the main reason for using it is to prevent pregnancy.

You don't have to like it, but if you're a Catholic the ideal is that you adhere to these rules! Of course, Catholic people might have sex outside of marriage or use artificial contraception, but the Church isn't going to change the absolute IDEAL that it thinks all people should strive for just to suit wider society.

We'd be in a right mess if all our teenage lovers relied on "natural contraception" now wouldn't we? The country really WOULD go bust...!

Plans_all_plans

I think you'll find you need to read up on natural contraception!

Aside from this, the Church teaches that sex outside of marriage is wrong and therefore it would not support the notion of unmarried teenagers having sex. Idealistic maybe, but as I say the Church gives us ideals to strive for!

zaksmum

Plans_all_plans wrote: »

I think you'll find you need to read up on natural contraception!

Aside from this, the Church teaches that sex outside of marriage is wrong and therefore it would not support the notion of unmarried teenagers having sex. Idealistic maybe, but as I say the Church gives us ideals to strive for!

No, I do know exactly what natural contraception is. Would you say you personally approve of it...and practise it....??

Mankysteve

Would even natural contraception be wrong as it deliberately havering sex where a child could not(may not) be born?

The catholic church ignore plenty of religious teachings. Way not this one?

Or the one on divorce

But i dont think this is debate for thsi thread. The Op wanted to know about getting married not about sex.

coolcait

zaksmum

Picking up on mankysteve's reminder about your OP, is this thread still supposed to be about your friend's daughter, and the possibilities of her getitng married in the Catholic church?

Or has it always been about having the chance to discuss the Catholic church on a boards that isn't the Arms?

Why would someone supposedly from a catholic background need to ask if the Catholic church recognised divorce?

Your 'reasons' for believing that an annulment is impossible bear absolutely no relation to the facts which have been given to you. You claim that the original marriage broke down because of the husband's infidelity, on a regular basis, from a short time after the marriage.

That's where anyone who was genuinely looking for an annulment would be focused. On the ex-husband, and his capability of being married.

Instead you have thrown up red herrings about your friend's daughter's commitment to the marriage, and the fact that she conceived a child.

You've also repeatedly mentioned that she doesn't want any contact with her ex, despite the fact that you have been told more than once that she wouldn't need to be in touch with him.

I don't have any difficulty with the fact that you are very far from being the Catholic church's biggest fan. That's your right, and if you ever post about religious issues in the Arms, I might even meet you for a debate.

I don't even have a huge issue with the possibility that you might have posted this thread just to stir things up. It seems to be a regular occurrence on this board, so why should you miss out!:rotfl:

However, if your OP is true, then your own prejudices about the Catholic church may be having an effect on the lives of two people who are relying on you for information. If that's the case, then I have a huge issue with that.

You said (roughly) that asking the parish priest about annulment would be like asking a policeman for permission to burgle a house.

I don't agree with that analogy as it stands. However, it's getting there.

If you go to the local community police, and ask them to assess how easy it would be to break into your home, then they can tell you if your home is completely secure, fairly secure, or vulnerable to being broken into.

A priest - or the Tribunal - can give a similar assessment on how easy it would be to have a marriage annulled.

If this is a true story, this is not about you and your feelings about the Catholic church. It's about two other people's lives.

This is my last post on this thread, because I've given all the advice I can. That's as much as I can do.