If you really want a pay rise do this...

davidjwest

mumbles_one wrote: »

So don't stay in the same company more than 10 years. My advice is 4 years. One year to learn job , two years to train for better job and then one year to find that better job.

You're making a big mistake - company I work for I started on around £12k, 5 years later I was on £18k, another 5 years it was around £30k and after 14 years £43k gross.

Read the title of the thread and forget trying to eke an extra day or two holiday here and there and work on career progression, it's a lot more lucrative.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

which is better
start with company on jan1 take all of january paid holiday (if it were possible)
next year take all of february as holiday and you have now worked all 12 months with one month off
next year take march and you have done it again worked 12 months between holidays
your mates who take december off every year never have to work more than 11 months without a holiday
who is making the smarter move ????

Nobody ever has to work more than 11 months without taking a holiday. You work 11 months and earn 1 months holiday, there's only 1 month left in the year so you have to take it off, if you don't you will loose most if not all of it.

But the fact is most people take holidays earlier in the year. Using some they have earned and some they will have to work to earn after their holiday.

As I keep saying, you have never worked, if you had you would know this.

Rednax

mumbles_one wrote: »

Draw out a comparison between 2 workers
1 takes december as a holiday every year
2 takes november then october then september then august .......

so 1 works 11 months on and 1 month off and gets the same salary as
2 who works 10 months on and 1 month off
who has the best deal???? 1 or 2

eat words please

Taking mumbles example (above), the conclusion for worker 1 is incorrect. As he's worked 11 months between holidays, he has 1 month + 2.5 days to take as holiday. Worker 1 will have this extra holiday to take before they leave their company, so assuming they do take it, it will be equivalent to the days worker 2 has moved their holiday forward each year. No gain, both work exactly the same number of days in total for exactly the same amount of holiday.

mumbles_one

the result is working 10 months between holidays and not 11 months like every one else

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

the result is working 10 months between holidays and not 11 months like every one else

But if you do that then every year the length of time you have no holidays left will get longer.

Assume the holiday year is Jan to Dec.

Year 1 you take Dec off and when you come back in Jan you start earning holidays again

Year 2 you take nov off and you have to work Dec with no holidays and not earning any.

year 3 you take Oct off and have to work Nov and Dec with no holidays and not earning any

Year 4 you take Sep off then have to work Oct, Nov and Dec with no holidays and not earning any.

And it goes on, each year the length of time you have to work without any holidays and not earning any gets longer.

If you had ever worked you would know that the worst time for any worker is when they have used up all their holidays and have to work the rest of the year not having any holidays and not earning any.

Your system just makes this "Worst period" longer and longer.

In the end you would be taking Jan off and having to work 11 months with no holidays. So what happens when one of the kids gets sick and you can't go to work? Or some other emergency happens and you can't take a day off work to deal with it?

As I have said, you appear to be a child that has no idea about working and all the problems that brings when you are an adult.

mumbles_one

lets start over for all those who can't be bothered to read from the beginning
just suppose 2 people start work on january 1 2011

for whatever reason employee 1 always wants to take all their holidays in december
for whatever reason employee 2 wants to take november in 2011 then october 2112 sep 2013 and so on

employee 1 works for 11 months continuously then gets 1 month holiday every year
employee 2 works for 10 months continuously then gets 1 month holiday every year

this system supposes the company lets you accrue holidays on a monthly basis and allows you to take them whenever you like. (as long as you have accrued them)
what is happening is that because the holidays are building up quicker than 4 weeks every year it is better to take the holidays as soon as they are available rather than waiting and taking them at regular intervals. This system also works if you split your holidays into 2 blocks of 2 weeks and take them last weeks in may and last weeks in november the first year and move the 2 blocks backwards every year.
Time worked between holidays is less using this method so you have a virtual pay rise.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

lets start over for all those who can't be bothered to read from the beginning
just suppose 2 people start work on january 1 2011

for whatever reason employee 1 always wants to take all their holidays in december
for whatever reason employee 2 wants to take november in 2011 then october 2112 sep 2013 and so on

employee 1 works for 11 months continuously then gets 1 month holiday every year
employee 2 works for 10 months continuously then gets 1 month holiday every year

this system supposes the company lets you accrue holidays on a monthly basis and allows you to take them whenever you like. (as long as you have accrued them)
what is happening is that because the holidays are building up quicker than 4 weeks every year it is better to take the holidays as soon as they are available rather than waiting and taking them at regular intervals. This system also works if you split your holidays into 2 blocks of 2 weeks and take them last weeks in may and last weeks in november the first year and move the 2 blocks backwards every year.
Time worked between holidays is less using this method so you have a virtual pay rise.

There's a fatal flaw here, if you continue to take your holidays a month earlier each year you will not have accrued enough.

If the holiday year goes from jan to dec, in nov you will have accrued enough to take a month off. But the following year you will not have accrued enough to take a month of in Oct.

Your theory relies on people thinking that as soon as they have used up their years worth of holiday they start accruing more. But they don't, they won't start accruing more holidays until the start of the new holiday year.

You have never worked, so you don't understand this.

mumbles_one

this all started when we used to go on cycling holidays to France every year in august and at the end of the holiday somebody would always say "well that's it for another year only another 11 months till the holidays" until we had the idea of taking July the following year meaning we only had 10 months to work until the holidays. Simple and effective.

mumbles_one

Please can an HR manager reply to this post ???

Caroline73_2

mumbles_one wrote: »

Please can an HR manager reply to this post ???

They are too busy laughing to reply.