If you really want a pay rise do this...

japesy

you work 10 months and get 2.5 days off each month so take 25 days holiday and start the next cycle, 10 months then 25 days off, so that means you get 2.5 days holiday each month thats all

I get 3 days a month off or 36 days a year, you're not getting more your getting a monthly holiday allowance 2 days 3 days whatever it is it makes no difference.

I think you may be a little confused, you friends at work get the same just take it differently, you may, may get 2 days a year more but thats it........i'm sure your worth it. Perhaps your work colleagues see it as there bonus!!

mumbles_one

Sorry I have not replied for the last 2 months but I have been on holiday.

Many thanks to JimmyTheWig who understands the system . The aim is to work the minimum number of days possible between holidays which to me is a virtual pay rise compared to working 11 months on and 1 month off.

Next holiday planned for November

Pound

mumbles_one wrote: »

Sorry I have not replied for the last 2 months but I have been on holiday.

Mumbles, I understand your idea and the advantage of what you're doing. What I'm not sure you realise is that after 12 years of doing this there is the inescapable consequence that you will have to wait almost 2 years for your next holiday.

Is this something you would be happy doing, if not, explain how you would work around this situation.

mumbles_one

Pound wrote: »

Mumbles, I understand your idea and the advantage of what you're doing. What I'm not sure you realise is that after 12 years of doing this there is the inescapable consequence that you will have to wait almost 2 years for your next holiday.

Is this something you would be happy doing, if not, explain how you would work around this situation.

The places I work always let you take the holidays as soon as they are accrued . So if you join a company in January you can take 2.5 days after 4 weeks work. So as long as you have the 22 days accrued they don't care when you take holidays. So after 10 months work its easy to take 1 month holiday. If your HR won't approve 1 month holiday try explaining to them its more efficient to take holidays in 1 month blocks as it allows companies to employ "temps" to cover the missing workers.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

The places I work always let you take the holidays as soon as they are accrued . So if you join a company in January you can take 2.5 days after 4 weeks work. So as long as you have the 22 days accrued they don't care when you take holidays.

Point one, if the places you worked only let you take holidays that you have accrued then you could not have worked your system. You would soon reach the point where you have NOT accrued enough holidays to take a month off, so would have to work longer to accrue enough.

Point two, in year 12 you take January off, but you have not accrued ANY holidays for that year, and you can't take holidays until you have accrued them.

I still stand by my previous statements, you have never worked, you don't understand the work/holiday system. And you clearly don't know what the word accrue means, because you keep saying the places you worked don't let you take holidays until you have accrued them, but claim you have been using a system that requires you to take holidays you have not accrued.

Pauldfc

I honestly cannot believe what I have just read . Honestly.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

If your HR won't approve 1 month holiday try explaining to them its more efficient to take holidays in 1 month blocks as it allows companies to employ "temps" to cover the missing workers.

And your HR will tell you that it is more economical to let you take no more than two weeks at a time, as your colleagues can cover for you for that amount of time and save the company the cost of hiring a temp.

Pound

mumbles_one wrote: »

The places I work always let you take the holidays as soon as they are accrued . So if you join a company in January you can take 2.5 days after 4 weeks work. So as long as you have the 22 days accrued they don't care when you take holidays.

So the places you work must not have a 'leave year' then? I think this is unusual, most employers use this type of system which normally runs from March-April. So this idea wouldn't work for most people.

But if your holiday system does work like this then yes, you could work for a company indefinitely having 10 month period between holidays.

The trade-off though is that because you're working 10 months instead of 11 then you would accrue less holiday so have shorter holidays. You might see this as acceptable.

You wouldn't take any more holiday than other people though, so there's definitely no financial benefits. Two people using the two systems over a course of say, 16 years would take exactly the same number of days holiday.

Pound

geordie_joe wrote: »

Point two, in year 12 you take January off, but you have not accrued ANY holidays for that year, and you can't take holidays until you have accrued them.

I'm assuming that in year 12, he has holiday accrued from year 11 between March and December. But like I said, that is assuming that his employer doesn't use the 'leave year' system which has been used by every company I've worked for.

24ctu_2

What a joy this thread was to read.

Just a note on this wonderful accrual system your companies appear to operate, mumbles. If working for ten months accrues one month's leave, then surely your simple-minded colleagues who work eleven months will accrue more than a month's leave?

I did enjoy your reasoning that you could persuade your employer to let you take a month's solid annual leave by explaining the value of employing agency staff to your HR department. That's a nice touch.