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geordie_joe

redcard wrote: »

This thread finally dead then?

Well it was until you dragged it up again

I just hope mumbles is more interested in his Nintendo than read reading this thread.

If I have to answer "no, it's better to take your holidays when you want/need them" to his "is it better to take your holidays every 11 months or every 10 months"? I'll have to crack open another can.

redcard

geordie_joe wrote: »

Well it was until you dragged it up again

I just hope mumbles is more interested in his Nintendo than read reading this thread.

If I have to answer "no, it's better to take your holidays when you want/need them" to his "is it better to take your holidays every 11 months or every 10 months"? I'll have to crack open another can.

Lets suppose you only get 1 day per year holiday and you plan to stay with that company for 60 years .
what is the best strategy to take the one day per year???
is it best to take your day on 31/12 every year ???
or is it better to take your day earlier every year???
by about 6 days earlier would be my guess.
What's your guess???

Pound

I've thought about this for a while and for a moment thought that mumbles_one was correct. I think he is correct that using this method you can for a while enjoy shorter periods between holidays (assuming you use them all in one block). The thing he hasn't thought about though is eventually you will get to a situation where you take your holiday in January, but you can no longer take holiday 10 months later because December is in the same holiday year so won't be allowed.

So the earliest time you can take holiday would be next January meaning you end up having holiday every 12 months like "average joe". If you wanted to take it later in the year you would need a much longer period between your holiday (e.g. if you wanted to take holiday in July you would need to wait 18 months). Even worse if you wanted to restart the system from the following December you would have to go for 22 months without a holiday! Moving to another company would not escape this fact.

I cannot believe the OP has gone 20 years and not noticed the gaping hole in this idea.

an9i77

I work in HR, I'm one of those annoying people who actually calculates how much holiday entitlement people have left and that kind of thing, and this whole thread made me chuckle. Where I work, which is typical of the type of system used in this country, the holiday year runs jan-dec. You can take your holidays whenever you want but can't carry over to the next year or use holiday from the following year. So you are right pound, eventually you would get to december and be unable to take that month's holiday as you'd have used it all in that calendar year already. But in theory if you wanted to start taking your month off in december and work backwards, you could work somewhere for 12 years before you were in this situation. I don't see that as a freebie though - you would merely be using your year's holiday allowance at a different point in each year, and paying for it during the months when you were working.
Also if you then used your final year's holiday in January and left the job in the february, you'd be in debit for that year and the amount would be deducted from your final payslip. Where I work we allow 2 days per month so if someone was off all of January (let's say they used 22 days) then left 1st February we'd deduct the equivalent of 20 days from their final payment as they'd only be entitled to two days for that holiday year. So there's no freebie there at all.

Can't believe this thread has lasted 21 pages though!!

geordie_joe

redcard wrote: »

Lets suppose you only get 1 day per year holiday and you plan to stay with that company for 60 years .
what is the best strategy to take the one day per year???
is it best to take your day on 31/12 every year ???
or is it better to take your day earlier every year???
by about 6 days earlier would be my guess.
What's your guess???

My guess is it's better to take it on 31/12 every year. That way you can get ready to go out on new years eve.

an9i77

Surely you'd be better to take it on Jan 2nd to give yourself some extra new years eve recovery time?

geordie_joe

an9i77 wrote: »

Surely you'd be better to take it on Jan 2nd to give yourself some extra new years eve recovery time?

No because if you do that you have no holiday left for that year.

The holiday year runs from jan to dec, so taking it on 2nd jan means you are taking it on the first day of the holiday year. And you have to work the whole year knowing you have used up your one days holiday and you have no more to take.

If you save it for the last day of the year then you work a whole year knowing you have a holiday to take should you need it.

So if your child gets sick and you need to take a day off work to take him/her to the doctors, you have a choice. Which is more important to me, taking my child to the doctors or saving my holiday so I have more time to get ready to go out on new years eve.

If you had taken your holiday on 2 jan, to recover from new years eve, you have no choice. You've already chosen that new years eve is more important than your child's health.

This is why I believe mubbles is a child, he is telling us to take our holidays earlier and earlier until we reach the point where we are taking them as soon as we can and having to work another 11 months without any holidays.

Think of holidays as your wages, would you rush out and spend all your wages on pay day just because you can? Only a child would do that, an adult knows they have to save some money to last them until next pay day. They know they will have bills coming in at different times of the month, food to buy, school meals to pay for, petrol to get to work, and a hundred other things. So they try to make their wage last the whole month.

It's the same with holidays, what adult will start the holiday year thinking "OK, in the next 12 months I have to work 11 months and take 1 month off. So I am going to take the first month off and blow a whole years worth of holidays in the first month then work 11 months without a holiday."

Adults wouldn't do that, they know that at some time during that 11 months something is going to happen and they will wish they hadn't blown all their holidays at the beginning.

His theory sounds good on paper, but when you apply it to real life it falls apart.

year 1, you work 11 months and take month 12 off, then start accruing holidays as soon as you go back to work.

year 2, you take month 11 off, work month 12 knowing if something happens, your child gets sick, you have no holidays to take so will have to take unpaid holidays to deal with it.

year 3, you take month 10 off, work months 11 and 12 knowing if something happens, your child gets sick, you have no holidays to take so will have to take unpaid holidays to deal with it.

year 4, you take month 9 off, work months 10, 11 and 12 knowing if something happens, your child gets sick, you have no holidays to take so will have to take unpaid holidays to deal with it.

year 5, you take month 8 off, work months 9, 10, 11 and 12 knowing if something happens, your child gets sick, you have no holidays to take so will have to take unpaid holidays to deal with it.

And so on throughout the year.

You are not gaining anything, your situation is getting worse year by year. Every year there is a longer time when, if something happens, you will have to take an unpaid holiday to deal with it.

And that is only thinking of the times when you NEED to take a day off work. It doesn't include any days you may WANT to take off.

You can't take any time off at easter or summer when your kids are off school, you blew your holidays in Jan just for the sake of it. You can't take a week off when your partner has a week off, because you blew your holidays in Jan just for the sake of it.

So no time off to be with your family at home, no time off to take family holidays, not time off when your family needs you, and no time off when you need your family.

And all for what? For being a child and spending it as soon as you've got it.

Every adult I have ever known has taken their holidays when they want to, or when they need to. They have never taken their holidays just because they have them.

Although most have reached the point where they can say "It's X days left of the holiday year, so I have to take those Y days I was saving for an emergency".

I've worked since I was 16, and I'm now 51. And I can say that one of the best times of the year is the end of the holiday year and having to take a holidays you kept back but didn't need.

And one of the worst times is when you come back to work after a holiday knowing you have no more holidays until the new holiday year. The time between your last holiday and the the new holiday year is always the worst. Everyone I know tries to keep that time as short as possible, and nobody does anything to increase it year on year until it reaches the point where that time without holidays is 11 months.

If you've read this far, well done and thank you, but forget it all. Just imagine walking into work and 1st Feb knowing you have no more holidays to take until 1st Jan.

11 months of working to pay back holidays you took just because you could.

Would you ever put yourself in that position?

jessicamb

cant believe I just wasted an hour of my life reading this thread. Funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

an9i77

" Which is more important to me, taking my child to the doctors or saving my holiday so I have more time to get ready to go out on new years eve."

You have a statutory right to time off work if your child is ill and you need to attend to them or arrange their care

geordie_joe

an9i77 wrote: »

" Which is more important to me, taking my child to the doctors or saving my holiday so I have more time to get ready to go out on new years eve."

You have a statutory right to time off work if your child is ill and you need to attend to them or arrange their care

But that time is unpaid.

Your right to time off for dependants

If you are an 'employee', you have the right to unpaid time off work to deal with emergencies involving a 'dependant' – this could be your husband, wife, partner, child, parent, or anyone living in your household as a member of the family. A dependant may also be anyone who reasonably relies on you for help in an emergency, for example an elderly neighbour living alone who falls and breaks a leg and you are the closest on hand.