If you really want a pay rise do this...

mumbles_one

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

No comments, mumbles?

But taking your holidays as soon as you can the first year limits any gains you can make in the future. If you apply this to your own holidays then you have to adapt to the holidays that you took already this year. I want the maximum gain balanced with sustainability . Otherwise taking January the first year then carry on taking January every year averages out the same but means you always have to wait 11 months for next holiday. The way I look at it is if I am starting a new job in January then the previous month was already a holiday so after 10 months work I want my next holiday

cheers
sorry long delay, busy day

Luvplacebo

I've spent 2 hours reading this entire thread. It makes my head hurt. I probably shouldn't contribute to it but oh well, here goes.

1. mumbles' system is great, if you only like 1 holiday a year and are allowed to take 4 weeks at once.

2. I'm 19, I work weekends during my gap year, I get 4 weeks holiday (mumbles, 4 weeks in my case is 8 days because my week is only 2 days long - wasn't sure if you'd get that). I'm allowed to take all 4 weeks together if its in exceptional circumstances. I don't have any real commitments, no kids, still sort of live at home so I only need to pay for what I need and I have savings in case I over spend.

3. I still think your system's ridiculous. Why on earth would you base "the system" on an almost entirely theoretical situation. I've never heard of someone that takes a months holiday at once every year, yes people will occasionally do it BUT even if you do take 4 weeks holiday every single year without fail, why the heck would it matter when you take your holiday? If I wanted to take the whole of March off I could, its even realistic for me. I can easily schedule doctors appointments etc outside the time I'm contracted to work. I would have to work 11 months to take off a full month, fair enough. If I then take off February the next year, I have indeed only waited 10 months between holidays. But I've still worked 11 months in that year.

4. Add to the mix, I'm a teenager, we're well known for doing things without really thinking of the consequences. This year for example I decided on a whim that I wanted to have the last weekend off in October to go to a Halloween party with my boyfriend and not have to try to function at work having got home about an hour and a half before I had to be at work. I booked the tickets before I'd confirmed I could have the weekend off at work. Because I didn't feel the need to take all my holiday off at once I still had 2 weeks of holiday left so HR couldn't really refuse it and I got my holiday.

5. Now lets say I'd followed your system because 'its much better to only have 10 months between each holiday rather than 11' (I paraphrased it) and then decided to try and get that weekend off the same way. Oops, HR says "no, I've had my holiday allowance for the year". I complain "I'm following a system, I couldn't know that I'd do something on a whim or my circumstances would change" HR reply "deal with it." If they were really nice they might let me take it and only take 3 weeks holiday next year, but its pretty unlikely. My point is, "the system's" just bitten me in the butt, because it doesn't allow for any possible event which would prevent me taking my holiday in pre arranged blocks, whether that was in 2 week blocks or 4 week blocks.

6. Its my final point, I hope you understand them all. I take my holiday as and when I choose, this year, I had a holiday in July and then a holiday in October, so even though I've done the full year and worked 11 months of it, I've worked 6 months, then had a holiday, then worked 3 months, then had a holiday and I'm now working for two months. Surely, my system (which incidentally is probably most people's system) no better or worse than your system, except for the fact that it allows for life getting in the way. I'd much rather not have to worry about pulling a sickie to cope with my life and risk the fact that maybe I work slightly longer than 10 months in a row before I get a holiday.

tomstickland

mumbles_one wrote: »

you have reduced the number of days worked between holidays from 11 months to 10 months. When you are on the beach in Cannes and someone says "only 11 months until next holidays" you can say "no actually its only 10 months" if you plan it right.

So take a half day every week then. Then it'll only be 6.5 days between your holidays.

If I remember correctly you weren't even using the full allocation every year. You were using 20 days out of 24 per year.

tomstickland

Is the OP trolling?

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

The way I look at it is if I am starting a new job in January then the previous month was already a holiday so after 10 months work I want my next holiday

Why was the previous month a holiday? Does it take you a month to find a new job, or are you like the rest of us and don't leave a job until you have another one lined up.

I see this as more evidence you are a child. You are thinking ahead to when you leave school, have your 6 weeks summer holiday then start work. To you you are having a holiday before starting work, but to an adult the time between jobs is NOT A HOLIDAY, it's a period of UNEMPLOYMENT.

If you were an adult you would know that a period of unemployment is no f*cking holiday.

geordie_joe

tomstickland wrote: »

Is the OP trolling?

No, he's too stupid to be trolling, he's just a child who read a scam and believed it.

I can't wait for the day he starts work and gets sent for a "long stand". He'll be back in here telling people to always volunteer to go for a long stand, because it takes ages to get one, and while you are waiting for one you are not working and therefore getting paid for nothing. And getting paid for nothing is a pay rise.

redcard

mumbles_one wrote: »

cheers
sorry long delay, busy day

I know you're working on your book, but I thought I should let you know that your next scheme has appeared on Wikileaks.

Is it true you can save money on underwear and socks, by wearing them inside-out? Please tell me this is true!

Saving 50% off your knackers bill is groundbreaking.

Good one, mumbles

Nixxx

wow :rotfl:. Best thread ever!

Redcard and Joe, I have to applaud you on your persistence with this :T. I just spent a few hours reading the thread and I still don't get the point of the system .

Mumbles, all the best to you but your system seems pointless, sorry .

I like to take my holidays as and when i see fit and its rare for someone to take all their holiday in one go.

JimmyTheWig

mumbles_one wrote: »

I want the maximum gain balanced with sustainability.

Ahh, so now you've defined your goals we can judge your system.

Maximum gain is irrelevant. Mean number of days before a holiday (counting before you begin employment and retirement as holidays) can never change assuming constant holiday accrual.

So it comes down to sustainability. In which case your plan works. If that's what you are aiming for, your plan is spot on.
You're not saying anything revolutionary - you've just worked out a "system" for spreading holidays equally across the time that you have.
If you work 60 years and have 60 holidays (plus a "holiday" before the 60 years and a "holiday" after the 60 years) then there will be 61 gaps between the holidays. 60 years divided by 61 gaps gives a "sustainable" gap of about 359 days - 6 days short of a year. Therefore, as you say, bring your holiday forward by 6 days each year.

What you're calling sustainability (i.e. no variation in time at work between holidays) isn't what I aim for, so I won't be following your system.

geordie_joe

Originally Posted by mumbles_one View Post
I want the maximum gain balanced with sustainability.

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Ahh, so now you've defined your goals we can judge your system.

Unfortunately he is not gaining anything, he isn't getting any more holidays just taking them a month earlier every year. Taking them a month earlier just means he has to work an extra month each year to repay holidays he's taken in advance.

After 12 years he's down to taking his holiday in the first month of the holiday year and can't take them any earlier.

So, no gain and no sustainability.

If you read through his posts you will see that he claims to have worked this system for years, but it is based on taking holidays before you accrue them. Yet later on he says that he can't take holidays before he accrued them, so how could he have been working his system?

mumbles_one wrote: »

where I worked we accrued days on a monthly basis and could take the holidays whenever we liked as long as the holidays were already accrued