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redcard

I was hoping mumbles had developed a scheme that would get you an extra hour when the clocks went forwards as well as backwards

geordie_joe

redcard wrote: »

I was hoping mumbles had developed a scheme that would get you an extra hour when the clocks went forwards as well as backwards

How about you work the night they go forward, therefore get an hours pay for nothing.

Then take the night off when the clocks go back, so you don't have to pay that hour back.

It will work, unless you listen to my dad, who worked nightshift for over 40 years. He said in all that time he only came across two type of employer. Those who won't let you take those nights off, and those who will, but claw back the extra hour by not paying you for it.

JimmyTheWig

mumbles_one wrote: »

the strategy is trying to discover the optimum time to take holidays so that you work a minimum number of days between holidays . The aim is to reduce the number of months between holidays to 10 instead of the accepted 11.
the strategy is just an example to let you see that taking holidays slightly earlier reduces the work period between holidays and you get paid the same.

But you still haven't explained on what basis you want to reduce the "minimum number of days". It's not mentioned in the strategy.

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

The mean number of days?
The median or mode number of days?
The maximum number of days?
The minimum number of days?

mumbles_one

Originally Posted by mumbles_one
Lets suppose you only get 1 day per year holiday and you plan to stay with that company for 60 years .
what is the best strategy to take the one day per year???
is it best to take your day on 31/12 every year ???
or is it better to take your day earlier every year???
by about 6 days earlier would be my guess.
What's your guess???

tomstickland wrote: »

I don't have to guess anything. It doesn't make any difference when he takes the holiday.

So if you take December 31 every year you would always have 364 days of work and then 1 day holiday (except leap years)

if you take the holiday 1 day earlier every year then you would always work 363 days then get 1 day holiday



you say it doesn't make any difference but 364 continuous days work for 1 day holiday compared to 363 days for 1 day holiday is a difference that you must be able to see. Taking the day an average of 6 days earlier would give you 358 days work between holidays that would be sustainable for at least 60 years under any holiday system

mumbles_one

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

But you still haven't explained on what basis you want to reduce the "minimum number of days". It's not mentioned in the strategy.

I am trying to get to the minimum number of days/months that is possible between annual holidays. Suppose you only have 1 day per year that you could take any time .
you could take Jan 2 2011 but then minimum number of days you would have to work before your next holiday would be on Jan 3 2012 which is 365 days . Then after that the minimum number is 364 and you can only take Jan 2.

but if you take Dec 24 2011 and then Dec 17 2012 you would be working a minimum number of 358 days between holidays. A better sustainable strategy???

the example is to explain how having a strategy works

In your job you already have selected all 2010 holidays by now so any
strategy you can apply will have to start on Jan 1 .

if you take a month in January 2011 then you will have to work a total of 11 months until you can take your month in Jan 2012.

is that more clear???

tomstickland

I see that you're still blathering on about this.

Consider it from the companies point of view. Have they given you any more holiday per year compared with anyone else?
Clearly not.

You have not gained anything.


If you move your holiday forwards each year then when you get to the end of your employment you have a longer gap between your last holiday and leaving. Or they charge you back for the days you have used and not worked towards yet.

mumbles_one

tomstickland wrote: »

I see that you're still blathering on about this.

Consider it from the companies point of view. Have they given you any more holiday per year compared with anyone else?
Clearly not.

You have not gained anything.


If you move your holiday forwards each year then when you get to the end of your employment you have a longer gap between your last holiday and leaving. Or they charge you back for the days you have used and not worked towards yet.

you have reduced the number of days worked between holidays from 11 months to 10 months. When you are on the beach in Cannes and someone says "only 11 months until next holidays" you can say "no actually its only 10 months" if you plan it right.

Frogletina

Frogletina wrote: »

Ok - I'm going to look at it differently

Person A, rolling year (the system according to Mumbles)

In this scenario A can work for 10 months and because A accrues 2.5 days holiday per month they can take a holiday of 25 days

A decides to take a holiday every 10 months. After 60 months A has had 6 holidays - a total of 150 days and didn't work for more than 10 months between holidays



Person B - fixed year - gets 2.5 days holiday entitlement per month

This person gets 30 days holiday a year which equals 150 days in 5 years.

Lets say they take holidays of a week in June, another in July - a couple of weeks in August and the rest at Christmas or odd days. This means this person is never more than 5 months away from a holiday and at the end of the fixed year has used up the full entitlement

Person A, if HR allows, can keep taking holidays at 10 months intervals indefinately

However, the entitlement is still the same per year. It just seems to be that person A uses it after accruing enough for a long holiday - and person B can take it either before or after accruing it and any adjustments come at the year end (whether having to use it up or carry some forward)

Hi Mumbles

You asked for someone else to comment but you don't seem to have looked at my previous comment

Looking at your latest post you seem to indicate that you can only take 1 month per year so in my example person A only gets 5 holidays in the 5 years equating to 125 days off, so is losing 25 days holidays if accruing at 2.5 per month

But, if I am reading this wrong, please correct me and if I decide to be Person A in the future please advise when I need to book my holidays ( I am assuming that I can only take 25 days off each month)

2011 - I take my holiday in October
2012 - August
2013 - June
2014 - April
2015 - February
2016 - What month should I book my holiday?

thank you

JimmyTheWig

mumbles_one wrote: »

I am trying to get to the minimum number of days/months that is possible between annual holidays.

And do you care if to achieve this in later years you have to wait the longest time possible before your first holiday?

mumbles_one

Frogletina wrote: »

Ok - I'm going to look at it differently

Person A, rolling year (the system according to Mumbles)

In this scenario A can work for 10 months and because A accrues 2.5 days holiday per month they can take a holiday of 25 days

A decides to take a holiday every 10 months. After 60 months A has had 6 holidays - a total of 150 days and didn't work for more than 10 months between holidays



Person B - fixed year - gets 2.5 days holiday entitlement per month

This person gets 30 days holiday a year which equals 150 days in 5 years.

Lets say they take holidays of a week in June, another in July - a couple of weeks in August and the rest at Christmas or odd days. This means this person is never more than 5 months away from a holiday and at the end of the fixed year has used up the full entitlement
if you add up the exact time worked between these holidays you will find it comes to more than 10 months total.

Person A, if HR allows, can keep taking holidays at 10 months intervals indefinately

However, the entitlement is still the same per year. It just seems to be that person A uses it after accruing enough for a long holiday - and person B can take it either before or after accruing it and any adjustments come at the year end (whether having to use it up or carry some forward)

so you agree there is only a 10 month gap between holidays???
My aim is to only work a total of 10 months between holidays for the whole year . I am happy that at last someone that understands the term rolling year and holiday accrual has appeared.


so please answer the test question.
If you only have 1 day holiday per year which day would you pick to give you the least number of days worked between holidays??
1. would you pick the same day every year???
2. would you pick an earlier day every year???