If you really want a pay rise do this...

lvm

This must be the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read on MSE!

Mumbles, you actually believe you are getting more holiday than your colleagues?!?! Hilarious! If you actually had a bit of mathematical knowledge you would realise you are LOSING holiday if all you do is take 10 months of holiday accrual in every year (your employee is the one with the last laugh!) LOL

Here's an idea - why don't you go to work tomorrow (or next time you get a job) and tell them your brilliant little "secret" - it will guarantee a few laughs!

mumbles_one

I am still amazed that so few people fail to try and understand difference between " the strategy " and the application of the strategy.
The strategy is first to imagine that if you only had 1 day holiday per year (you work 364 and get 1 day holiday)what would be the best day to take ???

example 1.
you join a company on Jan 1 and have to decide which day to take your holiday.
there are 365 options........ pick one and work until that day

If you picked December 31 then you will have to work 364 days before getting a holiday

In year 2 take December 31 again and you can see that there is again 364 days to work before you get another day off. You can carry on taking the same day every year and their will always be 364 days before you get another days holiday....... so.... lets think carefully

example 2
you join the same company and in year 1 take December 30 so you have to work 363 days before your 1 day holiday
suppose in year 2 you took December 29 then you would only have to work 363 days before you got your next 1 day holiday and lo and behold if in year 3 you took December 28 then the number of days worked between your "1 day holiday" would be 363.
So by moving your 1 day holiday earlier every year the number of days worked between holiday is 363 while the other guys who stick with 31 Dec always work 364 days before getting a day off.

are we enlightened yet ????
That is the strategy. How you apply it depends on your personal situation and your company's holiday rules.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

I am still amazed that so few people fail to try and understand difference between " the strategy " and the application of the strategy.

No, we all understand " the strategy " and the application of the strategy. It's just that the stratergy is rubbish and if you tried to apply it it simply wouldn't work.

mumbles_one wrote: »

The strategy is first to imagine that if you only had 1 day holiday per year (you work 364 and get 1 day holiday)what would be the best day to take ???

The best day to take the holiday would be the day you WANT to take it, not the day some stupid strategy says you have to take it.

To show how applying your strategy wouldn't work, lets take your example. You only get 1 days holiday per year, you have to work 364 days to accrue this 1 days holiday.

In the first year you work 364 days and take the 365th day off.

In the second year you try to take your holiday one day earlier, on the 364th, but HR say "You won't have accrued your days holiday by then, you have to work 364 days to accrue a days holiday, you will only have worked 363 days. Sorry, you can't have a day off until you have worked 364 days and accrued one day off".

As I keep saying, you have no idea what the word accrue means, you have never worked and never had anything to do with holidays at work. The only holidays you have ever known are school holidays.

geordie_joe

Pound wrote: »

But like I said, that is assuming that his employer doesn't use the 'leave year' system which has been used by every company I've worked for.

All employers must use the leave year system, it's the law.

The leave year system is just basically deciding a point where the leave year begins and ends. It can be any day of the year the employer chooses, but they must have a beginning and end of the leave year.

They can even have different leave years for each employee, say based on the date they start working for the company.

The reason for this is there are laws governing how many holidays they must give in any one year, and how many days can be carried over to the next year.

If they didn't have a set date for the beginning and end of the leave year then it would be very difficult for them to ensure they are complying with the law.

lvm

Well said Geordie Joe!

It's rather amusing that this guy thinks he's getting one over on his employer by doing this!

At least this thread gave me a laugh!

Mips

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

!!!!!!

elvis86

mumbles_one wrote: »

lets go through this again. lets assume holiday year is january to december . you start work for the company on jan 1. Work for 10 months then take 22 days holiday in november. you have now worked 10 months and had 1 month holiday. Return to work dec 1 and work another 10 months until end of september and take another 22 days holiday in october. You have just worked 10 months and taken 1 month holiday.Return to work on november 1 and work 10 months until end of august and take 22 days holiday in september . you have worked 10 months and taken 1 month holiday. return to work on october 1 and work 10 months until end of july and take another 22 days holiday in august. just keep on doing this. Your pals at work who take august every year work 11 months and then get 1 month holiday but you only work 10 months and get 1 month holiday. who works more for the same money???neat???
Understand now??????

Okay, so basically:

In year 1 you have taken all of your holiday in the 11th months of the year.

In year 2 you have taken all of your holiday in the 10th months of the year.

etc etc until

In year 10 you will take all of your holiday in the 1st month of the year. Presuming you then leave to take up a new job, your employer will surely simply deduct this holiday from the final salary as you'd not accrued it?:cool:

geordie_joe

lvm wrote: »

It's rather amusing that this guy thinks he's getting one over on his employer by doing this!

He has never used this system, he just read about it somewhere, or heard about it and fell for it. Then he decided to come in here to tell us about it and claimed he had been using it himself for years. I assume to make him self look clever.

However, he repeatedly says his employers wouldn't let him take holidays until he'd earned them, yet his system relies on taking holidays before you earn them.

lvm wrote: »

At least this thread gave me a laugh!

it makes me laugh too

mumbles_one

elvis86 wrote: »

Okay, so basically:

In year 1 you have taken all of your holiday in the 11th months of the year.

In year 2 you have taken all of your holiday in the 10th months of the year.

etc etc until

In year 10 you will take all of your holiday in the 1st month of the year. Presuming you then leave to take up a new job, your employer will surely simply deduct this holiday from the final salary as you'd not accrued it?:cool:

It works best if you just take your holidays earlier every year. You have to decide according to your company's policies how much earlier you can take your holidays and still stay within the rules. Its exploiting the fact that companies use a monthly accrual policy then cut and paste it over a so called "holiday year" . Forget the "holiday year". If you have accrued holidays using the monthly formula then you are entitled to take them. Read the earlier posts, especially the ones with the examples about how you would take your holiday if you only had one day per year. If you took dec 31 every year then there would always be 364 days between holidays whereas if you took Dec 30, then the following year took Dec 29 and so on ... you would have 363 days between holidays
Then adjust your holidays to get the least number of days between holidays that you can

irok20002

I think people here are over complicating things and getting wound up with carrying days over holiday years which arnt actually important with discounting the system.

With the mumbles method of gaining holiday you gain holiday as you work. For the sake of simplicity lets say you get a days holiday for every month worked.

Mumbles takes his holiday every 10 months. His holiday lasts for 10 days then "only 10 months before the next holiday!"

Bob takes his holidays like a nutter every 11 months meaning a longer wait between holidays. Only his holiday lasts for 11days. An entire day longer than mumbles.


Basically yes mumbles would get his holidays more frequently, but the other employee who takes their holiday every 11 months would get a longer holiday from working a longer time.

Result: both mumbles and his co workers have worked the same number of days, had the same amount of holiday and been paid exactly the same amount of money.