does anyone know what constitutes "several times throughout the day"?

Oldernotwiser

Invalidation wrote: »

Thank you
I shalll make a formal complaint about your post and several other abusive posting I have seen from you
Have a nice day:p

I await with baited breath and knocking knees!:rotfl::rotfl:

Invalidation

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I await with baited breath and knocking knees!:rotfl::rotfl:

Me too......

kazzah60

dmg24 wrote: »

kazzah60, could I ask if your son an adult or a child, and if the latter how old is he? The required standard for a younger child is higher because they are compared to a 'healthy/ normal' child of the same age.

sorry- left all the relevent info out of my original post - he is now 18

kazzah60

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

thanks ONW - but the actual problem he has is undoing his button and zip on his trousers and doing them up again when finished
and as another poster pointed out - there isn't a suitable aid to do that - it just seems strange to me that they accept he needs help to dress and undress but that needing that help to go to the toilet is being ignored and also that it doesn't constitute several time throughout the day

This doesn't help your original enquiry but drawstring and elastc waisted trousers can be much easier than the conventional kind.[/QUOTE]

herein lies the problem ONW - he has to wear a uniform with regulation trousers for his school previously and now for his chosen career - and apart from that he HATES elaticated waists or drawstings or anything that smacks of "needing " adjustments - I know that seems silly- but he does try VERY hard to cope and be as "nornal" as possible- i do tell him lots of people choose to wear elasticated trousers or drawstrings ( which would still be ahrd to undo one handed) but he has always hated wearing them

kazzah60

dmg24 wrote: »

There are some things here which may help - have you had an OT assessment, as they may be able to supply/ recommend useful adaptive tools?

Thanks DMG
saldy No sign of an OT assessment - our area has a dire shortage of OT's and they tend to work with those patients referred by Social Services- and despite my best efforts, I have never managed to convince anyone in Social Seervices that we are "in need" - even when my two sons were younger and I was coping with this one who has a physical disability and his older brother who has Autistic Spectrum Disorder!

kazzah60

juno wrote: »

Have you actually specified that he needs this help? If you've just said that he needs help getting undressed then that implies the full "clothes off, pyjamas on" activity that does only occur twice a day (well, morning is other way round). You need to specify that help with getting undressed extends to partial undressing for the toilet.

If you have then I'm sorry I can't help further.

Thanks Juno
I have specified that he does need the help - I will do so AGAIN in my appeal letter and see if they actually read it and pay any attention this time!

dmg24

kazzah60 wrote: »

herein lies the problem ONW - he has to wear a uniform with regulation trousers for his school previously and now for his chosen career - and apart from that he HATES elaticated waists or drawstings or anything that smacks of "needing " adjustments - I know that seems silly- but he does try VERY hard to cope and be as "nornal" as possible- i do tell him lots of people choose to wear elasticated trousers or drawstrings ( which would still be ahrd to undo one handed) but he has always hated wearing them

How is he intending to manage at work? Any employer has to make reasonable adaptations for someone covered by the DDA, and I would say such a measure would be reasonable.

Even if it is one of the uniformed services, they can be flexible. I was offered a job in the fire service and they did not have any trousers to fit me, so they offered me an allowance to find something suitable.

That makes me sound like a right heffer - I'm not that big (honest!), but the trousers were designed for men, and my hips are far from manly!

kazzah60 wrote: »

Thanks DMG
saldy No sign of an OT assessment - our area has a dire shortage of OT's and they tend to work with those patients referred by Social Services- and despite my best efforts, I have never managed to convince anyone in Social Seervices that we are "in need" - even when my two sons were younger and I was coping with this one who has a physical disability and his older brother who has Autistic Spectrum Disorder!

I can understand your frustration there. I have tried to self refer twice - once got told to go to my doctor, and the other time to contact my crisis team!

kazzah60

he is currently at uni doing a vocational NHS course to be a radiotherapist - whilst he could wear joggers to uni - he really hates them - but whilst he is on placement ( which starts after christmas) he has to wear NHS uniform trousers - he has usually asked one of his close friends to pop to the loo with him and help him - he has had some funny looks mind you!
it is very hard for him- he is trying so hard to be independent and get a career - all he ever wanted to do was join the army- but sadly he doesn't meet their fitness criteria
I know it may seem like he is being awkward about not wearing joggers, but he had some very unpleasant experiences with bullies at school and has always associated those who wear joggers as thugs - I know and you know thats not true- but it is his preference not to wear them

dmg24

The NHS will make adjustments, even for those who are not disabled. If you think about any pregnant NHS workers, they are allowed to wear their own trousers. Does it have to be joggers in the traditional sense? I'm not sure what is out there for men, but it would be worth having a look?

dmg24

This might be a solution - look like normal trousers but actually have velcro fastenings? The navy pair are also near identical to the standard NHS ones.