Return of the Workhouse. It's now Official

annie123

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So for you of you who are so vocally against this...

...what proposals do you have to put forward to sort the situation out?

I will have to assume that if I don't get answers, you merely wish to see the long term unemployed, stay, unemployed and live off those who ARE out there cleaning toilets, doing labourer jobs on construction sites, picking litter, mowing lawns etc?

As I put in my earlier post education is the way forward.

I dont want my hard earned tax keeping someone who doesn't want to work any more than the next person.

Where families have a history of generation after generation being unemployed, the cycle does need to be broken
The easiest way to do this is to provide proper training and apprenticeships, and not just for under 18's, for anyone any age.

Confidence is going to be at an all time low too. If you've never done a days work in your life or so long that you can't remember it, it will be a scary feeling. Just like being a child again going to secondary school for the first time.

I would like to see my taxes pay for education courses, apprenticeships, confidence building courses.
I have no problem with the above ideas being compulsery either, and I have no problem, as I posted earlier, with anyone who is on income based jsa working in the local community @ the NMW for their benefits.
Who knows one day that could be me and I wouldn't expect to get money for nothing and would feel better if I was earning my JSA.

hallmark

Massive investment? There's no money left, remember...?

Graham_Devon

annie123 wrote: »

As I put in my earlier post education is the way forward.

I dont want my hard earned tax keeping someone who doesn't want to work any more than the next person.

Where families have a history of generation after generation being unemployed, the cycle does need to be broken
The easiest way to do this is to provide proper training and apprenticeships, and not just for under 18's, for anyone any age.

Confidence is going to be at an all time low too. If you've never done a days work in your life or so long that you can't remember it, it will be a scary feeling. Just like being a child again going to secondary school for the first time.

I would like to see my taxes pay for education courses, apprenticeships, confidence building courses.
I have no problem with the above ideas being compulsery either, and I have no problem, as I posted earlier, with anyone who is on income based jsa working in the local community @ the NMW for their benefits.
Who knows one day that could be me and I wouldn't expect to get money for nothing and would feel better if I was earning my JSA.

Education is ok, apprentices better. I believe the education has already been tried however, and the problem has got worse.

We've had loads of free courses available, some with qualifications at the end of it.

However, experience is worth more than qualifications in a lot of jobs.

As I say, education is fine, but it's not as if we haven't tried it.

The biggest problem with the call for education is the very basic point that we have no money. So it would be nice, but it's simply impossible at the moment, so we still have the problem. In an ideal world and all that...

Apprentices ARE good...but people then moan that the apprentice wage isn't enough....it can't all be done.

Shakethedisease

You keep trying to change the slant and suggest this would hit the wrong people. It will hit those who won't work, or won't take the jobs currently available.

Those who will work (regardless of if it's their wanted, or perfect job), will be taking the jobs available, and won't be hit.

No luv.. you keep trying to change the 'slant' as you call it.. by continually using the words 'WON'T work' and WON'T take. Very insulting if you ask me, or anyone reading this and trying their best to get A job yet haven't been sucessful thus far. You talk like people are 'denying' oodles of job offers coming their way daily lol !

There is also a little teeny wee problem with the number of 'jobs available' part of your post ? Don't know if you've joined us all in 2010 yet.

Oh and Labour didn't do any massive house building as far as I can remember. Nor massive investment in anything tangible job creation-wise come to that. They didn't need to for most of their terms in office.. there was a boom on.

mvengemvenge

Just like the travel-to-work requirement, which already existed under Labour, this is another non-story.

As part of the Flexible New Deal (introduced by Labour), people claiming JSA for over 12 months go onto a 12-month job programme with private providers. As part of this, they are required to do at least 4 weeks on a job placement.

What's the difference? Right-wingers are stupid for getting excited, because it already exists. Left-wingers are stupid for getting upset, because it already exists, and did under Labour.

Two separate policies announced by the Tories - both already existed, and both were introduced by Labour.

I've never seen so much smoke and mirrors in my life.

Graham_Devon

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No luv.. you keep trying to change the 'slant' as you call it.. by continually using the words 'WON'T work' and WON'T take. Very insulting if you ask me, or anyone reading this and trying their best to get A job yet haven't been sucessful thus far. You talk like people are 'denying' oodles of job offers coming their way daily lol !

6m is a long time. If you simply cannot get a job within 6m, any job, then theres something a miss.

There is a lack of jobs, yes. But I don't believe the lack of jobs is big enough to stop someone getting any job within 6 months. May not be a "decent" job, but A job which brings in money while you look to better yourself.

They are forever hiring in my local tescos, seems to be a continual banner up advertising jobs...but they ARE unsociable hours. It's A job.

Local petrol station has also been advertising on the counter for over a month now. Yet no one seems to be taking it, its 25 hours, which I can see as tricky for some as it will hit benefits, but for someone on JSA, it should be a no brainer. If theres no jobs, howcome these jobs keep getting advertised?

Jowo_2

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Anyone have any good and reliable references to what other European countries do?

My understanding is that actual benefits are far smaller, but I don't know what they do about 'compulsory' work.

In Germany there are two streams for the unemployed.

One that pays significantly more for those who have paid contributions from employment in the past (the rate and duration depends on age/number of children and can be 60- 67% of the previous net wage for between 12 and 18 months), and one that's more a subsistence rate for the long term unemployed.

Shakethedisease

They are forever hiring in my local tescos, seems to be a continual banner up advertising jobs...but they ARE unsociable hours. It's A job.

My dad works in Tesco and has done for a good few years now. There are no jobs, and they aren't even taking on ANY extra staff for Xmas this year. He say's he's never seen anything like it.

Where's your local Tesco then ?

Graham_Devon

Shakethedisease wrote: »

My dad works in Tesco and has done for a good few years now. There are no jobs, and they aren't even taking on ANY extra staff for Xmas this year. He say's he's never seen anything like it.

Where's your local Tesco then ?

Username not a bit of a give away?

Look, I hire people. We get people sent from the job centre. They are not interested in the jobs, and we have yet to take someone on who's been sent. We always take those on who have found it out themselves.

Why? Simple. You can tell who wants to work, and who doesn't.

It's not hard to find people to come to an interview. It's extremely hard to find someone who's going to work.

My outlook is obviously different to yours. But all you keep doing is comign up with problems, not real suggestions that can actually happen. Massive imvestment is an idea, but it can't happen right now.

We need solutions now.

Percy1983

Do nothing... get nothing... sounds fair to me.