Return of the Workhouse. It's now Official

Graham_Devon

sticky23 wrote: »

They've been doing this in Denmark for years... And it works. Current un-employment rate is 4%. If you are un-employed there, you have to be available for work the following day. If they can't find work for you, you have to report to the jobcentre every day, and apply for jobs from there.

Inactivity is the worst thing for illnesses like depression and bad backs. This helps people get out of bed every day. If you don't like the nature of what's on offer, the impetus will be on for finding something better..

There is nothing wrong with being a cleaner - I've done it in the past, and would do it again. However I can't recall the last time I've seen a British cleaner. Why are we importing people to do something so unskilled as cleaning, while millions are sitting on their backsides watching day time telly?

That was timely, thank you

treliac

sticky23 wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with being a cleaner - I've done it in the past, and would do it again. However I can't recall the last time I've seen a British cleaner. Why are we importing people to do something so unskilled as cleaning, while millions are sitting on their backsides watching day time telly?

DS got a summer job cleaning a bank. It was fairly light work, a couple of hours commitment after the bank closed, hours to suit, and unsupervised. He admitted he got it all done and then put his feet up until his clocking off time.

The job was constantly in the newsagents window. They couldn't get anyone to take it on permanently.

Graham_Devon

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Eh ? I was telling you about the situation as it is in my area ? And explaining why I find your attitude as distasteful as you find mine.

No, you started assuming stuff about me, and making out I was somehow biast against applicants sent from the job centre...

Glad to hear you can just 'tell' who wants to work and who doesn't. But sounds to me like you may have a little bit of a problem with those people the job centre send you.

We can't "tell". We ask. It's one of the first questions "how did you find the vacancy". Many are open enough to state they have been sent, and many simply don't turn up for their appointment.

Some, it's not even worth conducting a full interview. A few months ago, we had one come along hardly dressed, whose mobile rang 2 mins into the interview, and he answered it and started laughing on the phone. His interview was cut short. Should we have taken him on? Am I now a biast, nasty person? Again, there is absolutely no point in sweeping these things under the carpet. I don't have issues, merely because I don't wish to ignore it.

treliac

vaporate wrote: »

:rotfl:


CRAP.

It's punishing the unemployed. Would you clean the streets like some peasant?

Up your jacksie.

foreversummer wrote: »

Actually, I've no problem with that. My husband did it voluntarily twenty years ago between jobs. I'm actually very grateful for the so called 'pleasants' who clean our streets. One of my friends happens to be bin man collecting refuse for the last 30 years. A great guy, bought up a family and never claimed a penny in his life.

As for me, I've never been unemployed since I left school at 17 and have no intention of being unemployed as now I run my own business. I really don't care what anyone does for a living as long as they work and are willing to take a job to provide for themselves.

My gripe is with the unemployed who have chosen not to work because they are quite happy sitting on their backsides taking benefits from tax payers. I have known them and have lived among them. We cannot afford this attitude in this country anymore. If you are genuinely unemployed and make every effort to find employment then there is no problem.

What's your position the vaporate? Perhaps you should tell us your position and why you feel the need to defend the work-shy.

Foreversummer

What a vile insult to you and your husband foreversummer. We could do with far fewer vaporates and a great many more of you two.

foreversummer

Still awaiting to hear from vaporate regarding his position. It will be interesting won't it treliac.

Foreversummer

SingleSue

sticky23 wrote: »

They've been doing this in Denmark for years... And it works. Current un-employment rate is 4%. If you are un-employed there, you have to be available for work the following day. If they can't find work for you, you have to report to the jobcentre every day, and apply for jobs from there.

Inactivity is the worst thing for illnesses like depression and bad backs. This helps people get out of bed every day. If you don't like the nature of what's on offer, the impetus will be on for finding something better..

There is nothing wrong with being a cleaner - I've done it in the past, and would do it again. However I can't recall the last time I've seen a British cleaner. Why are we importing people to do something so unskilled as cleaning, while millions are sitting on their backsides watching day time telly?

I've been a cleaner once or twice in my work history...filled a gap when I was younger and again after I had my eldest son. Absolutely nothing wrong with being a cleaner although not sure how long I could do it for as I need something to keep my brain occupied but I certainly wouldn't turn a job in cleaning down due to some 'aloofness' (could be fun trying to hoover with crutches though, I was already a danger with the Henry! :rotfl:)

Re backs and inactivity - it really depends on the back problem, some will respond to activity, some will be made worse by activity (or lots of). With mine, the more I try to do, the less I can actually do...but it still doesn't stop me trying to do more much to my physio's annoyance, I always push the boundaries. That said, MY particular back problem (well it is more of a whole body problem really) would not stop me working, I just wouldn't be able to do the really physical jobs.

Depression - Again, something I have experience of.....apart from a time at the beginning of my breakdown, I found work helpful but I did have to take 16 or something weeks off initially (on full pay, so no claim for benefit) as I was completely incapable of functioning as a human being let alone driving 15 miles to work and concentrating on my work (I worked with the very complex files as I was the only one who could understand a myriad of charges, delivery destinations etc on multi container files, so needed an extremely focused and clear head). But everyone is different and my depression and break down were pretty standard...no underlying nasty causing it just complete physical and mental exhaustion due to the demands on me as a carer and pushing the boundaries too much.

Never watched day time telly though! That really would have sent me even further into the depths

Loughton_Monkey

foreversummer wrote: »

My gripe is with the unemployed who have chosen not to work because they are quite happy sitting on their backsides taking benefits from tax payers. I have known them and have lived among them. We cannot afford this attitude in this country anymore. If you are genuinely unemployed and make every effort to find employment then there is no problem.

What's your position the vaporate? Perhaps you should tell us your position and why you feel the need to defend the work-shy.

Foreversummer

I have no problem with this at all. But as a taxpayer, I curiously find myself coming down with an even bigger gripe against the Government that developed such a system.

It is human nature to grab whatever "benefits" are on offer. I am reasonably wealthy, but I will 'grab' my full ISA allowance (wife's as well). I have grabbed my maximum Pension Tax relief (£3,600), even though retired.

I will take my heating allowance, since it will help defray the cost of heating my swimming pool.

So it is understandable that someone without skills/education - who would struggle to earn much more than minimum wage - would 'grab' the opportunity to sit at home all day earning the equivalent of a £25/£35K salary. Or more in many cases.

I would much rather my heating allowance, and a large chunk of Social Security money be channelled into Infrastructure or Enterprise Allowances to kick start a return to the much needed positive balance of payments.

Paying people to have more and more children is obscene in the extreme. As much so as my heating allowance.

Put 100 reasonably intelligent and ordinary people in a room - with no knowledge whatsoever of our benefits system - and ask them to design such a system from scratch. Anyone who suggested subsidising my heating costs on my income would be considered a lunatic, in exactly the same way as anyone who suggested that an able, but unemployed person should receive anything like national average wage (let alone far in excess of it).

A strong case of "I wouldn't start from here" if ever I saw one.

vaporate

foreversummer wrote: »

Actually, I've no problem with that. My husband did it voluntarily twenty years ago between jobs. I'm actually very grateful for the so called 'pleasants' who clean our streets. One of my friends happens to be bin man collecting refuse for the last 30 years. A great guy, bought up a family and never claimed a penny in his life.

As for me, I've never been unemployed since I left school at 17 and have no intention of being unemployed as now I run my own business. I really don't care what anyone does for a living as long as they work and are willing to take a job to provide for themselves.

My gripe is with the unemployed who have chosen not to work because they are quite happy sitting on their backsides taking benefits from tax payers. I have known them and have lived among them. We cannot afford this attitude in this country anymore. If you are genuinely unemployed and make every effort to find employment then there is no problem.

What's your position the vaporate? Perhaps you should tell us your position and why you feel the need to defend the work-shy.

Foreversummer

Sorry but you have nothing on me.

I'm defending this because it's a totally criminal policy.

And for your information, not that I should tell you anyway, I'm not long term unemployed. If I was, so what? This country can not provide employment.

vaporate

treliac wrote: »

What a vile insult to you and your husband foreversummer. We could do with far fewer vaporates and a great many more of you two.

LOL, A vile insult against a vile poster supporting such drivel policies and pretending its acceptable.

Communist style, do or else.

vaporate

treliac wrote: »

DS got a summer job cleaning a bank. It was fairly light work, a couple of hours commitment after the bank closed, hours to suit, and unsupervised. He admitted he got it all done and then put his feet up until his clocking off time.

The job was constantly in the newsagents window. They couldn't get anyone to take it on permanently.

Wonder why LOL

Naive.