Slimming World - a Christmas countdown!

FrankieM

Afternoon all,

I haven't managed to do any meal planning so far and I'm wondering if mixing up the meal plans a bit might be the way to go for a little while.
I've been doing EE all the time and I think I've got a bit stuck in a rut..
So, today its a green day:

Breakfast: weetabix and milk and a banana
Lunch: ham and salad cous cous
Tea: veggie pasta bake
Snacks: apples and strawberries

Not many sins..I'm struggling to know what to use my sins on as I'm not drinking alcohol at the moment and I'm steering clear of crisps and chocolate...

What is the dynorod soup people mention?

gunsandbanjos

maman wrote: »

Thank you redmel, I completely agree with you. I don't really want to get into the debate either as I had decided I would stop posting and just lurk on the thread for tips. A friend recommended I look at this thread but now I think I realise why she just lurks and never posts.

As a person I am naturally curious and open to learning new things. I'm also fairly new to SW and so had lots of questions. Being a fairly chatty person I'm also not slow to give my opinion (although I hope always politely). My impression of the thread has been that there is a core of posters who are so dedicated to SW that they took any comments that questioned the philosophy behind SW as a personal affront on the consultant and SW in general, closed ranks and suggested that raising debate was threatening to spoil the happy, cosy thread.

I won't apologise for thinking and questioning, I believe that's healthy. I can apologise if I have offended anyone by rocking the boat. Back to lurkdom.....

Really? I'm fairly new to SW and was genuinely interested in what Wootball had to say. I must have missed the closing ranks posts! I think a few other posters were interested in what wootball was saying too.
I also see consultants side, in her experience she will have seen many try to 'cheat the system' and ultimately fail. However i think that was what Wootball was getting at too (please correct me if i'm wrong), it is possible to 'tweak' and still lose, as long as you are having stuff that is still free it doesn't desperately matter how. Without going to extremes ie eating chickpea cake all day every day - or eating savoury rice all day every day.
As Wootball said you need to understand why you were fat in the first place.

I'm going 'off plan' for 10 days, but i don't expect to gain half a stone as i don't binge and never have. I eat when i'm hungry and stop when i'm full.


****I may have got entirely the wrong end of the stick, please correct me if i have:o

Wootball

gunsandbanjos wrote: »

Really? I'm fairly new to SW and was genuinely interested in what Wootball had to say. I must have missed the closing ranks posts! I think a few other posters were interested in what wootball was saying too.

There were some that agreed and/or thanked my posts, but there was a lot of 'lets get this place all happy and smiley and sparkly and not let this evil man come here and ruin everything' going on.

And yes, whilst I was sort of saying that 'tweaking' the plan can still have great results, it was more along the lines of 'following the plan to the letter doesnt guarantee results'. That's the whole philosophy of my argument, that because SW never mentions a calorie goal, basal metabolic rate or any other nutritional information, it's entirely possible to follow the plan to the letter and gain even more weight. In short, it isn't the little extras (chickpea cake, a couple of digestive biscuits) that make a difference, it's what you do day in and day out.

antonia1

Wootball wrote: »

There were some that agreed and/or thanked my posts, but there was a lot of 'lets get this place all happy and smiley and sparkly and not let this evil man come here and ruin everything' going on.

I think thats a little unfair. I understood that this is essentially a support thread, and you surely recognise that questioning the plan may not be considered supportive. Its not that anyone was suggesting that you are unwelcome (AFAIK), but just that some comments may not be why many people signed up to this thread in the first place. Perhaps we should have a separate thread to debate the science behind SW so those that want to debate can, and those that just want support without questioning can have that too.

Wootball

antonia1 wrote: »

I think thats a little unfair. I understood that this is essentially a support thread, and you surely recognise that questioning the plan may not be considered supportive. Its not that anyone was suggesting that you are unwelcome (AFAIK), but just that some comments may not be why many people signed up to this thread in the first place. Perhaps we should have a separate thread to debate the science behind SW so those that want to debate can, and those that just want support without questioning can have that too.

It's just the feeling that this thread sometimes gives off, but I can deal with that as I know it's 99% ladies in here. I found Consultant's responses to me offensive, and not what she should be doing to a customer. Supportive? Far from it. I might just join weight watchers and quote her responses as the reason why

nessie216

Afternoon all,

Well reading the posts & the whole saga of a chickpea cake - i can vouch for the fact that if you eat too much and don't move enough you won't loose weight!

I was on the fast forward plan last week but a takeaway (pizza & chips & ice-cream) and a meal out (chips, choco fudge cake, ice-cream & hot choco with baileys - followed but biscuits & choco binge) i put on 2lbs - despite having around 1100 calories each day other than that!

I totally agree with Wootball - but - SW obviously put these 'rules' in place for a reason & people often need a 'plan' or 'diet' on how to train them how to eat healthily and if SW is it - so be it!

I personally think SW it brilliant (when you follow it!) as you are not constantly worrying about counting calories - just a few basic principles to learn & you are eating healthily & (hopefully) loosing weight - i personally would get scared of counting calories & nutritional info & wouldn't sitck to it - if i wanted to do that i would have done WW!

If eating a slice of 'free' chickpea cake a day is not stopping your weight loss & you are sensible with portions etc. - in my opinion - carry on!

Today is a new day & so happy that i can eat proper food! Green Day

B - alpen light bar (1/2heb1) - stupid meeting!
L - Mugshot - my quorn cottage pie that i defrosted for lunch tasted disgusting so had to raid my supplies! Banana
D - Butternut squash rissotto (with leeks, onions, mushrooms in it!) with mashed swede & carrots with parmesan (hea1) & might have some hm garlic bread with it (heb2)
Milk in coffee (hea2)
S - Alpen light bar (1/2heb1), plum x 2, apple, 2 advent calendars (2? need to check!)

consultant31

Wootball wrote: »

Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, you don't need a qualification to do that. Had you said that Slimming World employed dietitians I would be more inclined to see your way of thinking.

Link to the credentials of Slimming Worlds nutritionists:-
http://www.slimmingworld.com/health/policies-practices/experts.aspx

ETA: Sorry I hadn't realised that this link had already been put on the thread by Bettb

Of course SW are out to make money - they wouldn't be much of a Company if they didn't. They are, however, the biggest slimming company in the UK and have been around for more than 40 years so they must be doing something right. In fact, since you're a paying member yourself, you must think they are good otherwise, presumably you'd spend your money elsewhere.

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Plans such as Slimming World are specifically designed to teach you that you still can eat cake, desserts, creams and chocolate whilst losing weight. You may remember me saying that I very rarely syn, I certainly don't use my daily syns and feel much more comfortable using no syns than using 15 - I already know that there are healthy and unhealthy ways of losing weight, and I don't want to lose weight whilst eating, essentially, junk. Syns are there for those that don't have self control, in my opinion. If I binge, I go for it and of course I regret it afterwards since it won't help me lose fat - but I don't subscribe to the theory that we need to syn in order to lose.
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You're right, Sw do teach you that nothing is banned which is the reason that syns are built in. Bingeing is bad for you (whether it be food or drink) so an allowance of syns every day is a healthier alternative. We try to teach that syns aren't only for 'treats' like cake and chocolate but for mayo, gravy, sauces etc that make food more interesting and palatable. Syns are NOT there for people who have no self-control, that's a very unhelpful comment which makes me quite angry.

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Slimming World IS a tremendous way to assist people in losing weight, but they will never, ever be able to keep it off and/or be happy with their final shape until they realise the fundamentals of why they were overweight in the first place and exactly why they were able to lose that weight.
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They'll never keep it off by trying to make cakes from various grocery items which were never designed to be used as puddings that's for sure.

Items such as these didn't used to be seen as 'misuse of free food'. It was only when it became apparent that many members were overdoing it and choosing to make cake from their chickpeas as opposed to using them for a (much more filling and sbstantial) main meal, that it was decided to reclassify them.

I have never set out to ridicule you but I don't think it's at all helpful for you to be so adamant that it's 'magical fairy dust' when if you follow the plans, they work. If you have questions which can't be answered by a Consultant (and let's face it. the training isn't medical) then why don't you contact Slimming World? I'm quite sure that someone much better qualifed than me would be happy to explain.

I just don't see the point of splashing the cash and not following the rules, but then, I've never been rebellious in my life, it's too late to start now.

Tell you what, let's agree to disagree, no animosity on my part, especially if you take back this bit "you may want to re-evaluate the tone you take with me".....I found it vaguely threatening!

Wootball

consultant31 wrote: »

Link to the credentials of Slimming Worlds nutritionists:-
http://www.slimmingworld.com/health/policies-practices/experts.aspx

I have no idea if they have more qualifications than you do....decide for yourself.

We've already discussed that. I'd say you're closing the stable door after the horse has bolted except the horse hasn't so much bolted at this point - it's left the stable, won the Grand National six times, had a long and productive family, been shot 'round back and used for glue.

consultant31

sarymclary wrote: »

Afternoon all,

Crikey, it's so flipping freezing isn't it? I recorded -9* this morning, and we still have no heating! Good news is that the heating engineer is finally here, and has ripped the old boiler out, and is fitting a new boiler in. The bad news is that it's going to take 2 days to do it, the house if filled with smoke fumes from his blow torch & brick dust, and he's knocked holes in the walls, so the cold air is getting in, and I can't get to use anything in the kitchen to make food!

Food today: EE

HEA - 250ml milk
B - porridge (HEB), banana, strawberries
L - pasta bake (2 syns) with peppers, courgettes, onion, tomatoes, sliced beef
D - Dyno rod soup

It was WI last night and I was disappointed to get a maintain. I don't feel like I've been anything but on plan, but the only thing I can think is that maybe I have to reduce my portion sizes? When I'm having my bacon & eggs for lunch I'm having 2 eggs, 2 slices bacon, large portion of beans & mushrooms. Does that sound like too much to you guys? Are you eating large portions still, or are you limiting your meal sizes?

You poor thing, I do sympathise. Our boiler broke down on Christmas Eve a few years ago when everybody locally was closed till about the 6th January.....it was a nightmare!!

Ref your bacon and eggs, I would be inclined to think 2 eggs, 2 rashers etc isn't too much as it should easily keep you full for hours. But I would be inclined to add a load of grilled tomatoes and perhaps some 'fried' onions (dry-fried or done in Frylight). It all makes the plate fuller but doesn't add much in the way of calories.

You've done really well up to now, don't let a little hiccup get you down. Stick with the plan and you'll see a good result next week I'm sure

consultant31

redmel1621 wrote: »

I don't really want to get into the debate, as I do agree with the majority of the SW 'rules' however I can also see why Woot may be riled at the fact that he seems to have been jumped on regarding this chickpea cake....We see posts on here all the time about making syn free pizza, syn free cheesecake, syn free meringue syn free pudding rice, surely these aren't encouraging members to eat a healthy meat and two veg diet, are they?

If someone HAS to have a bit of cake, then, I imagine, it is better to have a modified, healthier version than one full of butter and sugar! Like I say, I don't actually make things like this (although maybe I should start as it would stop me raiding the biscuits;)) I just wanted to point out that other similar posters don't seem to get as much grief as Woot seems to have attracted:cool:

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I'm sorry if it came across as Wootball being 'jumped on'. I had had a pm from someone asking me to reply to him as he had upset them with his posts.

I see what you mean about the syn-free pizza etc, but if you think about it, it uses potato or a wholemeal pitta which is a filling food in itself and would be eaten as a main meal.

Although members (and the general public) are encouraged to eat meat and 2 veg, we are human and most of us like a pudding or treat now and then. Meringues, cheesecake etc aren't meant to be eaten instead of a meal but as an occasional addition.