Park Right: The easy way to avoid parking tickets. Guide discussion

mmarknewman

There is plenty said about how to "get away" with not paying parking notices. I run a Company that provides as a small part of the services parking enforcement to a number of customers. We comply with the BPA and our Parking charge notices are reasonable (sometimes as low as £10). Without enforcement on private land parking quickly becomes a big problem. Imagine someone pitching up and parking on your drive every day without permission, many wouldn't be best pleased i am guessing. A lot of private parking areas are provided at a cost by the land owner and in order to make the parking fair and sensible so all that wish to can benefit. whether that is a supermarket, housing estates, visitor attractions or others, there has to be some measure of control. I agree that there have been and still is cowboy operators that will try and cash in. As a reputable Company that does play fair what would be your suggestions to provide enforcement at sites where they are permit only (permits paid for by residents) or pay and display. The advice given on here would suggest that you can infringe or flout any rule that you like with a car as the methods of enforcement are unfair. If you dont want to receive a parking charge notice then surely the answer is to park correctly, in the right place and follow any rules stated.
Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules. As clamping is shortly to be outlawed then more needs to be done to ensure that those that wish to park on private land and not follow the rules are more easily penalised.Otherwise every area of private land that is used for parking will be closed off with barriers and bollards and i bet not everyone will like that either?

esmerobbo

mmarknewman wrote: »

There is plenty said about how to "get away" with not paying parking notices. I run a Company that provides as a small part of the services parking enforcement to a number of customers. We comply with the BPA and our Parking charge notices are reasonable (sometimes as low as £10). Without enforcement on private land parking quickly becomes a big problem. Imagine someone pitching up and parking on your drive every day without permission, many wouldn't be best pleased i am guessing. A lot of private parking areas are provided at a cost by the land owner and in order to make the parking fair and sensible so all that wish to can benefit. whether that is a supermarket, housing estates, visitor attractions or others, there has to be some measure of control. I agree that there have been and still is cowboy operators that will try and cash in. As a reputable Company that does play fair what would be your suggestions to provide enforcement at sites where they are permit only (permits paid for by residents) or pay and display. The advice given on here would suggest that you can infringe or flout any rule that you like with a car as the methods of enforcement are unfair. If you dont want to receive a parking charge notice then surely the answer is to park correctly, in the right place and follow any rules stated.
Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules. As clamping is shortly to be outlawed then more needs to be done to ensure that those that wish to park on private land and not follow the rules are more easily penalised.Otherwise every area of private land that is used for parking will be closed off with barriers and bollards and i bet not everyone will like that either?

How does paying a PPC even as little as £10 improve parking?

How long would your reputable company hang around if it never issued any charges?

No regular poster on here that I know of condones abusing anybodies private land, or paying what is a fair and just amount to park.

What we object to is some company who decides by their own rules they can charge stupid amounts of money!

Always remember the good old days drove into a car park took a ticket, on way out paid man in kiosk for the time you had parked. If you lost your ticket you paid for the whole day.

You can manage car parks if you want too but it seems the 50/60% of people who pay these charges, makes more for the PPC!

JimmyTheWig

mmarknewman wrote: »

If you dont want to receive a parking charge notice then surely the answer is to park correctly, in the right place and follow any rules stated.

That's what the vast majority of this guide is all about. I don't get your point.

Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules.

The vast majority of private tickets that I hear of are out of order (e.g. taking more than two hours to do your shopping, signs being unclear, etc) so I think that if the "industry" cleaned up their act then people would be less inclined to fight / ignore the tickets.

ManxRed

mmarknewman wrote: »

Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules.

By 'loophole', do you mean centuries of established contract law?

Just want to clarify.

As esmerobbo says, no one condones taking advantage of private parking, but if PPCs want to ignore centuries of established contract law, then we will continue to object. Sorry if that doesn't accord with your view.

rosie-lee

mmarknewman wrote: »

There is plenty said about how to "get away" with not paying parking notices. I run a Company that provides as a small part of the services parking enforcement to a number of customers. We comply with the BPA and our Parking charge notices are reasonable (sometimes as low as £10). Without enforcement on private land parking quickly becomes a big problem. Imagine someone pitching up and parking on your drive every day without permission, many wouldn't be best pleased i am guessing. A lot of private parking areas are provided at a cost by the land owner and in order to make the parking fair and sensible so all that wish to can benefit. whether that is a supermarket, housing estates, visitor attractions or others, there has to be some measure of control. I agree that there have been and still is cowboy operators that will try and cash in. As a reputable Company that does play fair what would be your suggestions to provide enforcement at sites where they are permit only (permits paid for by residents) or pay and display. The advice given on here would suggest that you can infringe or flout any rule that you like with a car as the methods of enforcement are unfair. If you dont want to receive a parking charge notice then surely the answer is to park correctly, in the right place and follow any rules stated.
Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules. As clamping is shortly to be outlawed then more needs to be done to ensure that those that wish to park on private land and not follow the rules are more easily penalised.Otherwise every area of private land that is used for parking will be closed off with barriers and bollards and i bet not everyone will like that either?

I too miss the parking attendant. The bloke I might have given a box of choc to at Xmas because he kept an eye out for thieves and useless drivers pranging cars, or blocking in. Guided me in & out of a tight spot many a time.

Now the only notion of a parking attendant is some poor beggar on minimum wage spending his day being abused & hated by the same customers for sneaking around, desperate for any opportunity to issue a ticket. Failure to do so being the sack from the boss like you.

I don't mind paying for parking, even at my local supermarket, I do mind when some discretion can't be shown to someone popping in for a couple of things. I'm always happy to pay for good service and the person in the kiosk would always be a winner for me.

Before it was pay & display, people used to queue up to park there, knowing you'd fairly get the next place, even a a busy Xmas Saturday but now it's a menacing free for all and I avoid it where I can.

Hope it can be food for thought...

Clovie358

mmarknewman wrote: »

There is plenty said about how to "get away" with not paying parking notices. I run a Company that provides as a small part of the services parking enforcement to a number of customers. We comply with the BPA and our Parking charge notices are reasonable (sometimes as low as £10). Without enforcement on private land parking quickly becomes a big problem. Imagine someone pitching up and parking on your drive every day without permission, many wouldn't be best pleased i am guessing. A lot of private parking areas are provided at a cost by the land owner and in order to make the parking fair and sensible so all that wish to can benefit. whether that is a supermarket, housing estates, visitor attractions or others, there has to be some measure of control. I agree that there have been and still is cowboy operators that will try and cash in. As a reputable Company that does play fair what would be your suggestions to provide enforcement at sites where they are permit only (permits paid for by residents) or pay and display. The advice given on here would suggest that you can infringe or flout any rule that you like with a car as the methods of enforcement are unfair. If you dont want to receive a parking charge notice then surely the answer is to park correctly, in the right place and follow any rules stated.
Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules. As clamping is shortly to be outlawed then more needs to be done to ensure that those that wish to park on private land and not follow the rules are more easily penalised.Otherwise every area of private land that is used for parking will be closed off with barriers and bollards and i bet not everyone will like that either?

You parasites purposely make your signage non-conspicuous and out of the motorist's eyeline by placing small signs in non-obvious places and miles up in the air. Why not have a proper sign like the public pay and display car parks have?

C9DFY

Recieved a £70 parking charge for parking on the pavement in Glasgow Fort (where it is free parking anyway) unfortunatly did not think to seek advice before taking next action. Seen on this not to appeal and ignore letters etc. However I have already appealed saying that did not see the signs and there are no double yellows on the pavement I parked on etc. appeal was rejected and now recieved a letter from whyte & co. with usual nonsence on it. having now read all the advice I should have just ignored it to start with but does the fact that I have appealled and basically confirmed I was the driver mean that I have to pay or can I continue to ignore successfully. any advice would be appreciated

Coupon-mad

C9DFY wrote: »

Recieved a £70 parking charge for parking on the pavement in Glasgow Fort (where it is free parking anyway) unfortunatly did not think to seek advice before taking next action. Seen on this not to appeal and ignore letters etc. However I have already appealed saying that did not see the signs and there are no double yellows on the pavement I parked on etc. appeal was rejected and now recieved a letter from whyte & co. with usual nonsence on it. having now read all the advice I should have just ignored it to start with but does the fact that I have appealled and basically confirmed I was the driver mean that I have to pay or can I continue to ignore successfully. any advice would be appreciated

Makes no difference. Ignore them now.

I usually advise people in your shoes to just search this sub-forum for the keywords 'already appealed'. So, go back one click to the thread list (see my signature if unsure where to click to get back there). On the right above the columns it says 'search this forum'; click on that, put in your keywords and 'show posts'.

The question is asked at least once a week!

Coupon-mad

just a reminder not to bump this old thread please!

coupon-mad wrote: »

it's great that newbies are reading & learning from this thread not to just pay up unquestioningly - but if you have a ticket then don't post about it here as you won't get individual help here.

You need to start your own thread. You need to look at the current threads too, not this discussion rubbish...!

See my signature, you are only ever ONE click away from the current threads.

This is not a thread for new questions about new cases. YOU WILL NOT GET MANY VIEWS.

This is not a thread for new questions about new cases. YOU WILL NOT GET MANY VIEWS.

This is not a thread for new questions about new cases. YOU WILL NOT GET MANY VIEWS.

:):)

Stephen_Leak

mmarknewman wrote: »

There is plenty said about how to "get away" with not paying parking notices. I run a Company that provides as a small part of the services parking enforcement to a number of customers. We comply with the BPA and our Parking charge notices are reasonable (sometimes as low as £10). Without enforcement on private land parking quickly becomes a big problem. Imagine someone pitching up and parking on your drive every day without permission, many wouldn't be best pleased i am guessing. A lot of private parking areas are provided at a cost by the land owner and in order to make the parking fair and sensible so all that wish to can benefit. whether that is a supermarket, housing estates, visitor attractions or others, there has to be some measure of control. I agree that there have been and still is cowboy operators that will try and cash in. As a reputable Company that does play fair what would be your suggestions to provide enforcement at sites where they are permit only (permits paid for by residents) or pay and display. The advice given on here would suggest that you can infringe or flout any rule that you like with a car as the methods of enforcement are unfair. If you dont want to receive a parking charge notice then surely the answer is to park correctly, in the right place and follow any rules stated.
Being able to "dodge" a parking notice issued on private land is making use of a loophole to park without following the rules. As clamping is shortly to be outlawed then more needs to be done to ensure that those that wish to park on private land and not follow the rules are more easily penalised.Otherwise every area of private land that is used for parking will be closed off with barriers and bollards and i bet not everyone will like that either?

You are just a cut-price blackmailer with a smile.

Are you a council, the police, some train operatorsopersating under Byelaw 13 and Transport for London, who can issue legally enforceable fines or penalties? No, you're a private ticketing company, who can't. What you issue are “speculative invoices”.

Demanding more than any unpaid charge and/or reasonable pre-estimate of liquidated loss has been judged to be unreasonable and, therefore, an unfair contract penalty under the terms of The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977. See Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co. Ltd. vs. New Garage & Motor Co. Ltd., House of Lords, 1914 and countless cases since.

By bringing up the old chestnut of parking in a drive, you have lost both credibility and the argument. That would be simple trespass, as you haven't invited them to park there. Your client (not you) has, by offering car parking. If you don't know the difference then you really shouldn't be running a business that exists on the edge of the law. I hope you have a toothbrush.

The fact that you are the one in the wrong and your victims are the ones in the right is neither a dodge nor a loophole.

Your comment that, "more needs to be done to ensure that those that wish to park on private land and not follow the rules are more easily penalised", shows your true colours.

I haven't reported your post as SPAM or as being from a troll, as it gives such a useful insight into the mind of a private ticketing company owner, scammer and blackmailer.