We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.
This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
No Access to Home without Several Speed Humps
Comments
-
Speed does kill - It's plainly obvious without the like of research and government input.
And the fact that the "cure" does more damage than the original problem is irrelevant.I honestly cannot believe the fuss they create on here. so what if there are 100 on a road. If it stops people driving like they stole it then it's a good thing.
And all the innocents who have to suffer to stop a few bad apples don't matter?
Come back to this argument after you've suffered a permanent back injury caused by a driver behind who was doing 20 below the speed limit (50 in a 70) and failed to make any attempt to stop at all because they wern't paying attention. "But I wasn't speeding" is not a valid argument.
And yes as a result of this I need to find alternative routes around speed bumps if I don't want to be in a lot of pain that evening. Alternatively if I don't care about the car I'm driving then hitting them at a minimum speed of 35 mph reduces the pain caused noticeably as the suspension actually does it's job then so I only get one jolt instead of two.0 -
And all the innocents who have to suffer to stop a few bad apples don't matter?
Sadly 99% of motorists do not obey speed limits. We all speed, we all park illegally, and we all have a lapse of concentration at times.
Speeding = Camera / bumps etc
Parking = FPN
Concentration = Redbull (joke BTW)
The roads are what they are and they will only get worse as the years go on.
Cars are serious death machines when not utilised in a sensible way. Slowing someone down regardless if they like it or not is a benefit to everyone in a safety aspect.If Adam and Eve were created first
.Does that mean we are all inbred0 -
Speed does kill - It's plainly obvious without the like of research and government input. It's common sense.
The government is very good at making you believe what they want you to believe.
They claim that speed is a "contributing factor" in all road accidents.... Well of course it is! if nobody was moving there'd be no accidents at all!
The revenue from speeding fine's is estimated to be in the billions of £.
Here's a report claiming that just ONE camera in a new speed limit change made over £700'000 in two months!
If the govt turned around and admitted that other factors cause accidents AND included these with the official figures, there would be uproar and they'd lose millions of £ easy revenue every year.“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
<><><><><><><><><<><><><><><><><><><><><><> Don't forget to like and subscribe \/ \/ \/0 -
As I said in an earlier post, if any of the 'haters' think the speed bumps in/around their streets are unjustified, then contact your respective local council and make the case for their removal.
If it is indeed the one or two 'busy bodies' who have gotten these things installed, then there should be sufficient support from the neighbouring majority for their removal.
Complaining and venting your frustrations on internet forums isn't going to get them removed!
And who knows, they may actually remove them, then you can drive your lowered or classic low slung cars around at the appropriate speed limits, and practice your driving skills (avoidance and stopping) should a child or other obstacle present itself in front of you. :cool:0 -
That's got to be the best arguement I've seen.
Speeding is ok, if you hit someone going faster, you can only make them more dead?
My argument is that when the speed control measures make actual crashes more likely (eg. due to distraction or contributing to tiredness) then the end result is negative as there are more crashes to begin with.
You should always drive at an appropriate speed for the road and conditions. This number is constantly changing and very rarely lines up with the number at the side of the road. The basic rule being "ensure that you are able to stop in the distance you can guarantee to be clear".
For example if you're in a 30 limit and there is there a parked car ahead, you can't see if someone small is standing behind it about to step out so you need to either slow down or move further away from the parked car to improve the visibility, 30 is unlikely to be an appropriate speed as you near the car. Once past it, if the rest of the road is empty and the gardens are of the open plan type then a speed higher than 30 may actually be safe, but not legal.
The problem comes with distractions, we are all aware of the dangers of added distractions from inside the car, such as texting, which impair our ability to observe our surroundings and set an appropriate speed and make us less likely to notice when evasive action is needed, but apparently adding distractions outside the car is A-ok?0 -
Strider590 wrote: »The government is very good at making you believe what they want you to believe.
They claim that speed is a "contributing factor" in all road accidents.... Well of course it is! if nobody was moving there'd be no accidents at all!
The revenue from speeding fine's is estimated to be in the billions of £.
Here's a report claiming that just ONE camera in a new speed limit change made over £700'000 in two months!
If the govt turned around and admitted that other factors cause accidents AND included these with the official figures, there would be uproar and they'd lose millions of £ easy revenue every year.
I'm not disputing that speed camera are a money making scam - I believe that to be true
BUT
If the motorists were not speeding in the first place they wouldn't get a ticket.
I've been caught speeding i'll admit that, I missed the new speed limit sign (used to be national limit then dropped to 40) and unfortunately i didnt see the nice bright policeman standing in the road with his pow pow gun.
We've all done it but it's part of being a driver these days. This crappy government will always find a way to short change us, and as we all love driving so much we make ourselves easy targetsIf Adam and Eve were created first
.Does that mean we are all inbred0 -
Sadly 99% of motorists do not obey speed limits. We all speed ...
Yet the vast majority of motorists manage this without incident.
Suggests to me that the limits aren't reflecting reality.
The rule for setting speed limits always used to be the "85th percentile". You do a speed survey on an unrestricted road (we don't have those any more) and assume that the top 15% of drivers are morons. Set the speed limit to that which only that top 15% exceed.
The last government was keen on removing this rule and replacing it with the 50th percentile. That is the speed at which half of all drivers exceed. If this rule were implemented everywhere overnight it would literally make criminals out of half of the driving population, however they did not do this. It was done piecemeal and quietly, a perfectly safe dual carriage way dropped to 60 here, a needless 20 limit on a flat wide residential road there, a random urban dual carriageway dropped from 50 to 40 and so on on so forth.
All it's done is brought all speed limits into disrepute in the minds of many drivers, a bit like the boy who cried wolf, and this is a danger when they find themselves on a road where the limit is correctly set or too high. (Like all the idiot van drivers I encounter on the single track lanes around here who think it's just fine to do NSL down them despite the risk of oncoming traffic)0 -
Speeding is not the major issue...... Stop making our Police hide behind wheelie bins with radar guns and get them out in patrol cars looking for real dangerous drivers!
Oh and start pulling slow drivers off the roads, they do nothing but deliberately enrage other drivers!
In addition, if I drive to Birmingham along one particular A road, the speed limit in just 30miles changes as follows.... 30, 40, 30, 50, NSL, 50, NSL, 40, 50, 30, 40, 30, 40, 30 and after each change there's a barely visable speed camera!
Some of the limits I can see are correctly applied, but most im convinced are there just to catch people out.... Especially those who don't know the road very well
“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
<><><><><><><><><<><><><><><><><><><><><><> Don't forget to like and subscribe \/ \/ \/0 -
(Like all the idiot van drivers I encounter on the single track lanes around here who think it's just fine to do NSL down them despite the risk of oncoming traffic)
Now that I can't see a problem with.
I can see, so 60 is fine. If other drivers can't move over, they can't have seen me, so if they're not observant enough it's not my fault, and I've always got the aribags.
There's always a few poor drivers that spoil the fun of the rest.0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply
Categories
- All Categories
- 352.4K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.7K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 454.4K Spending & Discounts
- 245.4K Work, Benefits & Business
- 601.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177.6K Life & Family
- 259.3K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.7K Read-Only Boards