Lose Weight 31

Eric_Pisch

puddings wrote: »

she's referring me to a psychologist to try help me sort out why i use food as a reward and punishment, hopefully they'll be able to show me how to direct those emotions towards something completely unrelated. I'm quite optimistic about that, a few friends have said they think that's what I need more than anything.

There was also mention of surgery:eek:
Bypass or gasrtric band or both - she asked me how i felt about this prospect - couldnt answer - i have absolutely NO IDEA how i feel about that
:eek:

I think i pointed out a couple of times in my earlier posts that if you (anyone; and 99.9% of morbidly obese people do have issues) have an underlying issue you need to fix it before you start your journey, and by fix i mean at least be aware that its there and knowing how to deal with it.

Took me 5 years to sort my debt out and accept the damage done to me during my childhood by my father who was basically a !!!!.

Surgery is just like the magic tablets that give you the squits, totally and utterly pointless. Neither will address underlying issues or teach you healthy eating and neither will stop you becoming a blob again. There just a magic bullet so that people dont have to look in a mirror and take personal responsibility. There's plenty of documented cases of people with surgery who have blobbed out (one of the contestants on BL S10 had gastric bypass, and one in S11 has the tell tale scars).

The surgery and the squitty tablets are not needed if you can address the underlying issues and a councillor may be a great way to dig deep and expose the demons. Once you have a handle on that its relatively easy to control the physiological addiction with reduced carbs and low GI dieting.

One of the important things for me is to get out of this 6 year old mentality that most dieters have in that they wont go with out foods that are bad for them. Its utter bullcrap, your over weight, you have an unhealthy relationship with food, you need to reteach yourself self control and a healthy lifestyle, allowing yourself treats hasn't worked and just kept us in a YO-YO cycle. Take responsibility for your own actions, accept that these treats cause problems. After a while your brain chemistry changes and you no longer want them anyway. I look at cake, choccy, pizza etc and it does nothing for me, now i crave steamed veg if i go 2 days with out.

schewster

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It's actually aimed towards getting people ready to join the royal marine commando's. While i have absolutley no intention of (or hope) of becoming commando it does have a detailed video guide of warm ups, motivation advice, schedules and a load of excercises of which the majority can be done a home with out any special equipment. I find it very good and an antidote to the lycra clad mainstream nonsense that seems to repel me.

What's handy is the program can be downloaded on to PC, mac or IPOD formats so you can take it to the park and have children laugh at your attempts. :j

I can't post address cos i'm new but if you google "royal marine commandos " and look for the 'get fit to apply' link you can view online or download them.

Don't worry this isn't some wacky M.O.D. scheme to recruit thrify commando's

beanielou

Puddings~Lots of things to think about then.
Take care.

bettyB_2

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

the squitty tablets

:rotfl:

hehe that made me giggle. that's what i'm going to call them from now on!

I think surgery can be helpful to some people who need to learn when to stop overeating out of habit and to find out what 'full up' feels like.
But i do also agree with eric that there are often underlying psychological issues that need to be identified.

Eric_Pisch

bettyB wrote: »

:rotfl:

hehe that made me giggle. that's what i'm going to call them from now on!

I think surgery can be helpful to some people who need to learn when to stop overeating out of habit and to find out what 'full up' feels like.
But i do also agree with eric that there are often underlying psychological issues that need to be identified.

lock them in a room for 3 weeks and only give them a controlled diet to break the cycle, it would have a better effect and be a lot cheaper and safer.

if you think about anyone who takes the tablets is saying id rather risk "an accident" than actually address the real issues, and surgery there saying id rather risk death ..

if you have demons and you do not address it no matter what you do they will come back to boot you in the privates sooner or later, i was going to say nadgers but most of you dont have nadgers lol

been there, read the book, watched the film and got the T Shirt, about 20 times over

Denning.

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

I think i pointed out a couple of times in my earlier posts that if you (anyone; and 99.9% of morbidly obese people do have issues) have an underlying issue you need to fix it before you start your journey, and by fix i mean at least be aware that its there and knowing how to deal with it.

Surgery is just like the magic tablets that give you the squits, totally and utterly pointless. Neither will address underlying issues or teach you healthy eating and neither will stop you becoming a blob again. There just a magic bullet so that people dont have to look in a mirror and take personal responsibility. There's plenty of documented cases of people with surgery who have blobbed out (one of the contestants on BL S10 had gastric bypass, and one in S11 has the tell tale scars).

The surgery and the squitty tablets are not needed if you can address the underlying issues and a councillor may be a great way to dig deep and expose the demons. Once you have a handle on that its relatively easy to control the physiological addiction with reduced carbs and low GI dieting.

I never put two and two together, I know the stomach can expand if you constantly overeat, so by that logic, if the new 'smaller' stomach via surgery is constantly over stuffed than it will expand also, and continue to do so until it reaches pre surgery size.

I also somewhat disapprove of the alli, my understanding is it reduces fat absorbtion, now I doubt it can pick and choose what is healthy fat and what isn't. I don't agree with the party line of 'low fat = weightloss' way too simplified and I don't think is healthy.

I am on Eric side with regards to treats, pass personal experience would indicate I am better of with a total ban on junk, especially chocolate, if I cheat I can very easily convince myself "well I f'cked it up now, lets go all out".

Im not been doing to well, in middle of 'exam season' and while I don't have exams, I do have a lot of work due in, which means I am feeling I am forgetting to eat enough but I am staying away from anything bad.

purdita

puddings wrote: »

:eek: really? do i come across as a weirdo! "slightly verging" or not that definitely made me go omg!



Hi wannabefree, welcome to the thread. Theres folk on here doing all sorts of plans (some more sucessfully than others) if you want any help then please dont hesitate to ask :-)

ps. do ya wanna see some puppies?

Yes please!!! I love dogs;)

bettyB_2

Denning. wrote: »

I never put two and two together, I know the stomach can expand if you constantly overeat, so by that logic, if the new 'smaller' stomach via surgery is constantly over stuffed than it will expand also, and continue to do so until it reaches pre surgery size.


I also somewhat disapprove of the alli, my understanding is it reduces fat absorbtion, now I doubt it can pick and choose what is heavy fat and what isn't. I don't agree with the party line of 'low fat = weightloss' way too simplified and I don't think is healthy.

I am on Eric side with regards to treats, pass personal experience would indicate I am better of with a total ban on junk, especially chocolate, if I cheat I can very easily convince myself "well I f'cked it up now, lets go all out".

Apparently it can get really painful to overeat with a gastric band, but it is possible, I know of someone who got the surgery, didn't change their eating habits and then 'broke' the band :eek:

I agree with your comments re. Alli - you will get no healthy fats and that just ain't good. A small amount of good fat is essential.

Am also with you on the 'all or nothing' - if I 'fail' a tiny bit that will be me done for the week, scoffing junk and feeling bad about myself.

I really enjoyed Xmas as I had given up choc the month before and felt like it was really a treat and not some sort of weird psychological punishment for once.
I am giving it up again until valentines day (I'm hoping OH will buy me a box of Lindt red balls!)
I am much less likely to overindulge and shovel them in my gob when they are a rare treat that I feel worthy of, and want to really enjoy, rather than an obsession/compulsion that makes me hate myself....

bettyB_2

purdita wrote: »

Yes please!!! I love dogs;)

careful, he'll wanna show you what's under his trenchcoat in a minute!!

BeardedDez

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

One of the important things for me is to get out of this 6 year old mentality that most dieters have in that they wont go with out foods that are bad for them. Its utter bullcrap, your over weight, you have an unhealthy relationship with food, you need to reteach yourself self control and a healthy lifestyle, allowing yourself treats hasn't worked and just kept us in a YO-YO cycle. Take responsibility for your own actions, accept that these treats cause problems. After a while your brain chemistry changes and you no longer want them anyway. I look at cake, choccy, pizza etc and it does nothing for me, now i crave steamed veg if i go 2 days with out.

I'll give my take on things and, although I generalise, I speak to an extent from a personal point of view.

It strikes me, and hence the highlights, that psychologically there is childhood compensation at play.

The "six year old" is being given the treats by the now adult that he/she didn't receive as a child. It symbolizes a childhood "lack".

As a child, pretty much the only thing that can be self controlled, is what is eaten. Hence in times of emotional stress it becomes a fall back to safety.

Of course, at some point, the adult starts to feel bad about themselves and then it becomes a vicious cycle of low self esteem,protection, habit and comfort.

I agree with Eric. Dealing with the symptom - the weight, doesn't remove the emotional cause - the reason for overeating. Hence why so many people gravitate back regardless of weigh loss and new image.

I guess they realise that they don't like the person in the mirror regardless of the body image.

Learning to love oneself, and learning why one doesn't, could well be the key.