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Stigy

Driver8 wrote: »

You certainly need a lot of intelligence to traipse around a car park all day dishing out scam invoices, MENSA member perhaps? Yeah right.

I said before, if the likes of you try and "caution" me, you'd get a two word reply which would not be good day.

You certainly are a deluded person full of your own self importance who traipses around a car park all day. What a bleeding job !

As I said (probably 20 or so times throughout this thread), I'm not actually employed solely to "traipes" around car parks all day. I'm getting the impression your blood is at boiling point about now...

sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

It worries me somewhat that a lot of members on this forum, offering legal advice, think something as fundamental as a caution is reserved solely for a Police Officer to use. Also it worries me somewjat that potentially hundreds of members who join this forum seeking legal advice, could have read what lots of other members have said, and assume this as correct.

What is so different as me saying "I can question under caution", and then being called all manner of names, to another, more well known member saying pretty much the same thing in a round about sort of a way, and getting "thanked" by the same people who, a day or so later, were saying I was impersonating a Police Officer? I was also going to be/have been reported to the authorities for such an offence, which I find most strange given that I haven't committed any offences. All of this by people who apparently know about what they're talking about. And it's me who gets slighted for not knowing everything there is to know about PACE. Great stuff.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Fact - our advice is correct unlike yours.

Where as you claim PPC (Private Parking Charges) that are merely invoices can be enforced, when in fact they cannot by any means.

I have been leaving leaflets on quite a few cars at Railway car parks recently, and already know of three people who shall not be allowing the company you work for extort money from the, no doubt in the end the company will go bust and on that day, people can park safely knowing a bully won't extort money from them.

sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

As I said (probably 20 or so times throughout this thread), I'm not actually employed solely to "traipes" around car parks all day. I'm getting the impression your blood is at boiling point about now...

You think YOU can Caution people?!

I think not, I'd sue you for False Imprisonment as well as informing the Police.

peter_the_piper

""I wouldn't stop anybody making a paper aeroplane out of a piece of rubbish. However, should they throw said piece of rubbish, they're committing a further byelaw offence...;)""

Only if they did not retrieve it to throw again.

Stigy

sassy-one wrote: »

You think YOU can Caution people?!

I think not, I'd sue you for False Imprisonment as well as informing the Police.

I find it strange that you can accuse me of supplying incorrect information, and yet you still say I can't caution people, even after basically being poved wrong. You couldn't sue me for false imprisonment, because I would not be holding you against your will. The Police would laugh at you.

geordieracer

sassy-one wrote: »

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FACT: Parking in ANY private car park INCLUDING a train station car park NOT covered by the Railway bylaw section 14, any PPC incurred as a result cannot and will not be enforced, weather you work at 1 private car or 10 or stomp your feet, no law is on your side.... you have NO power whatsoever.

Hope I have made that clear now :rotfl:

What a heated debate.. Id just like to poin tout that whilst not all car parks affiliated with railway stations are covered by the same bylaws that you have just quoted Sassy-one.

Just so you know about section 14
This site is operated in accordance with the Railway Byelaws made under Section 219 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Strategic Rail Authority (the "Authority) and confirmed under Schedule 20 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Secretary of State for Transport on 22 June 2005 for regulating the use and working of, and travel on or by means of, railway assets, the maintenance of order on railway assets and the conduct of all persons while on railway assets (the "Byelaws")

Your attention is specifically drawn to the railway byelaw 14 which states:

Traffic signs causing obstructions and parking

No persons in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall use it on any part of the railway in contravention of any traffic sign.

(2) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall leave it or place it on any part of the railway.

(i) In any manner or place where is causes an obstruction or hinderance to an operator or any person using the railway or

Otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or on behalf of an operator or an authorised person.

(3) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall park it on any part of the railway where charges are made for parking by an operator or an authorised person without paying the appropriate charge at the appropriate time in accordance with instructions given by an operator or an authorised person at that place.

In England and Wales

(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of byelaw 14 (1) to 14 (3) may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.

(ii) Without predjudice to byelaw 14 (4) (i) any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of byelaw 14(1) to 14(3) may be clamped, removed and stored, by or under the directionof an operator or authorised person.

The owner of the motorvehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall be liable to an operator or an authorised person for the costs incurred in clamping, removing and storing it provided that there is in that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to these byelaws may be clamped, removed and stored by an operator or an authorised person and that the costs incurred by an operator or an unathorised person for this may be recovered from the vehicles owner.

The power of clamping and removal provided by byelaw 14(ii) above shall not be exerciseable in any area where passenger parking is permitted unless there is on display in that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to these byelaws may be clamped and or removed by an operator or an authorised person.

Stigy

geordieracer wrote: »

What a heated debate.. Id just like to poin tout that whilst not all car parks affiliated with railway stations are covered by the same bylaws that you have just quoted Sassy-one.

Just so you know about section 14
This site is operated in accordance with the Railway Byelaws made under Section 219 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Strategic Rail Authority (the "Authority) and confirmed under Schedule 20 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Secretary of State for Transport on 22 June 2005 for regulating the use and working of, and travel on or by means of, railway assets, the maintenance of order on railway assets and the conduct of all persons while on railway assets (the "Byelaws")

Your attention is specifically drawn to the railway byelaw 14 which states:

Traffic signs causing obstructions and parking

No persons in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall use it on any part of the railway in contravention of any traffic sign.

(2) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall leave it or place it on any part of the railway.

(i) In any manner or place where is causes an obstruction or hinderance to an operator or any person using the railway or

Otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or on behalf of an operator or an authorised person.

(3) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall park it on any part of the railway where charges are made for parking by an operator or an authorised person without paying the appropriate charge at the appropriate time in accordance with instructions given by an operator or an authorised person at that place.

In England and Wales

(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of byelaw 14 (1) to 14 (3) may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.

(ii) Without predjudice to byelaw 14 (4) (i) any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of byelaw 14(1) to 14(3) may be clamped, removed and stored, by or under the directionof an operator or authorised person.

The owner of the motorvehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall be liable to an operator or an authorised person for the costs incurred in clamping, removing and storing it provided that there is in that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to these byelaws may be clamped, removed and stored by an operator or an authorised person and that the costs incurred by an operator or an unathorised person for this may be recovered from the vehicles owner.

The power of clamping and removal provided by byelaw 14(ii) above shall not be exerciseable in any area where passenger parking is permitted unless there is on display in that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to these byelaws may be clamped and or removed by an operator or an authorised person.

Which was what I was trying to say. Unfortunately my advice in this thread seems to have fallen on deaf ears though. I was not indiacting that either all PPC tickets are enforceable, or that all Railway Station Car Parks are covered by the Byelaws. What I was saying though was that all of the car parks I cover, ARE covered by said byelaw.

I too thought about copying the byelaw here, but last time I tried to direct people to a link(s) I got accused of getting all my info from Google.

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sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

I find it strange that you can accuse me of supplying incorrect information, and yet you still say I can't caution people, even after basically being poved wrong. You couldn't sue me for false imprisonment, because I would not be holding you against your will. The Police would laugh at you.

You claimed a week or so ago that you did not even know what PACE was, you then after being reported to Site Admin proceeded to edit all your posts, which Site Admin were made aware of and have recorded such events should any problems and/or issues incure again.

Throughout this thread you have stated incorrect and invaild information and attempted to pass it off as facts, when quite clearly the posts your relate to on this thread are not correct and have no legal standing.

You do not have the right to Caution people, and I advise anyone whom is stopped by someone claiming they working at a car park of any kind to simply walk away - as you have no powers to Caution someone or place them under any kind of Caution for that matter nor keep someone to your present, as doing so you commit an offnce of False Imprisonment.
On a note, I have E-mailed Trading Standards regards your claims you work for a car park firm and that you believe you have power to Caution and detain persons to which you do not, and I'm awaiting there reply.

Regards the Police laughing at such, I have today spoken to a local Police officer and they have stated that anyone other than a Police officer attempting to detain someone either for the purposes of issuing a invoice or such, is a criminal offence and you are liable to such an offence of False imprisonment, should you wish to confirm such I recommend you contact your local said Police force and confirm such findings with them.

It remains Stigy, to be seen how your reply to such and if you wish to confirm with the Police you have no legal power nor status.

However, it remains fact that invoices issued at Train station car parks NOT covered by the Railway bylaw section 14 are not enforceable.

Further more, it remains fact that claiming a station is covered by section 14 of the Railway bylaw when said station car park is not is a criminal offence of fraud to which you can be prosecuted and the case will not be thrown out of court, as you have previously claimed.

sassy_one

geordieracer wrote: »

What a heated debate.. Id just like to poin tout that whilst not all car parks affiliated with railway stations are covered by the same bylaws that you have just quoted Sassy-one.

Just so you know about section 14
This site is operated in accordance with the Railway Byelaws made under Section 219 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Strategic Rail Authority (the "Authority) and confirmed under Schedule 20 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Secretary of State for Transport on 22 June 2005 for regulating the use and working of, and travel on or by means of, railway assets, the maintenance of order on railway assets and the conduct of all persons while on railway assets (the "Byelaws")

Your attention is specifically drawn to the railway byelaw 14 which states:

Traffic signs causing obstructions and parking

No persons in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall use it on any part of the railway in contravention of any traffic sign.

(2) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall leave it or place it on any part of the railway.

(i) In any manner or place where is causes an obstruction or hinderance to an operator or any person using the railway or

Otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or on behalf of an operator or an authorised person.

(3) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall park it on any part of the railway where charges are made for parking by an operator or an authorised person without paying the appropriate charge at the appropriate time in accordance with instructions given by an operator or an authorised person at that place.

In England and Wales

(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of byelaw 14 (1) to 14 (3) may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.

(ii) Without predjudice to byelaw 14 (4) (i) any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of byelaw 14(1) to 14(3) may be clamped, removed and stored, by or under the directionof an operator or authorised person.

The owner of the motorvehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall be liable to an operator or an authorised person for the costs incurred in clamping, removing and storing it provided that there is in that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to these byelaws may be clamped, removed and stored by an operator or an authorised person and that the costs incurred by an operator or an unathorised person for this may be recovered from the vehicles owner.

The power of clamping and removal provided by byelaw 14(ii) above shall not be exerciseable in any area where passenger parking is permitted unless there is on display in that area a notice advising that any vehicle parked contrary to these byelaws may be clamped and or removed by an operator or an authorised person.

May I add only section 14 of the Railway bylaw may be used to enforce a ticket and by no other means can another section of the Railway bylaw be used.

Also, there are VERY few Train station car parks that are covered by the Railway bylaw and this accepted, any station car park to which is covered by said section 14 of the Railway bylaw must have correct signage in place failing which any ticket received becomes unenforceable and the same as a non covered station car park, to which is a invoice.

Stigy claims that he has power to Caution persons who allegedly park at a train station car park which is covered by section 14 of the Railway bylaw, to which, he simply does not have any said power to give or offer Caution.