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Stigy

Dear oh dear.

This is just a never ending battle. Let me break it up for you in to bite-sized chunks that even you can take in, Sassy-kins.

sassy-one wrote: »

You claimed a week or so ago that you did not even know what PACE was, you then after being reported to Site Admin proceeded to edit all your posts, which Site Admin were made aware of and have recorded such events should any problems and/or issues incure again.

I have never once claimed that I didn't know what PACE was, I simply said that there's knowing what PACE is, and there's being a lawyer (which you clearly aren't)

[quote-Sassy-Kins]Throughout this thread you have stated incorrect and invaild information and attempted to pass it off as facts, when quite clearly the posts your relate to on this thread are not correct and have no legal standing.[/quote]No, you've twisted what I've said to try and make yourself and others look like you know something.

Sassy-kins wrote:

You do not have the right to Caution people, and I advise anyone whom is stopped by someone claiming they working at a car park of any kind to simply walk away - as you have no powers to Caution someone or place them under any kind of Caution for that matter nor keep someone to your present, as doing so you commit an offnce of False Imprisonment.

I can caution people. I do NOT work for a PPC. If you knew anything about PACE yourself, you'd know that a railway official is able to caution somebody that they believe has committed an offence. Knowing so much about law, and having been trained about it, by your own admission, you will also be aware that after I have cautioned somebody I advise them that they are not under arrest, and as such are free to leave at any time. Not once have I detained somebody against their will. So there's NO OFFENCE OF FALSE IMPRISONMENT!

Sassy-kins wrote:

On a note, I have E-mailed Trading Standards regards your claims you work for a car park firm and that you believe you have power to Caution and detain persons to which you do not, and I'm awaiting there reply.

You have mislead them then, because I do not work for a PPC of any description. Trading standards themselves will be aware that certain rail staff can caution people, and it is not reserved for the Police, as they do it themselves!

Sassy-Kins wrote:

Regards the Police laughing at such, I have today spoken to a local Police officer and they have stated that anyone other than a Police officer attempting to detain someone either for the purposes of issuing a invoice or such, is a criminal offence and you are liable to such an offence of False imprisonment, should you wish to confirm such I recommend you contact your local said Police force and confirm such findings with them.

And quite rightly so! At no point have I said I would be detaining anybody.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

It remains Stigy, to be seen how your reply to such and if you wish to confirm with the Police you have no legal power nor status.

Problem is, BTP will be all to aware of rail staff rights to question under caution.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

However, it remains fact that invoices issued at Train station car parks NOT covered by the Railway bylaw section 14 are not enforceable.

I didn't say anything to the contrary.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

Further more, it remains fact that claiming a station is covered by section 14 of the Railway bylaw when said station car park is not is a criminal offence of fraud to which you can be prosecuted and the case will not be thrown out of court, as you have previously claimed.

Please direct me to this legislation, I'm interested now.

Hope that responds to your misguided and unfounded illusions.

taffy056

This thread is not going anywhere, why don't you take your argument to private messages as this is no help to anyone, this site is to help people first, not bolster your egos !

I would suggest that the moderators close this thread because its run its course!

Stigy

taffy056 wrote: »

This thread is not going anywhere, why don't you take your argument to private messages as this is no help to anyone, this site is to help people first, not bolster your egos !

I would suggest that the moderators close this thread because its run its course!

I would be inclined to agree, however I can't help but feel certain people simply bury their heads in the sand when they're proved wrong! There evidence of it all over the place here. Shocking.

taffy056

Stigy wrote: »

I would be inclined to agree, however I can't help but feel certain people simply bury their heads in the sand when they're proved wrong! There evidence of it all over the place here. Shocking.

Really ? Well we advise on parking tickets here, most of it is of the ppc scam type, are you suggesting by saying ignore completely is the wrong thing to do ? You work for the train companies, your tickets are not enforceable unless it goes to court, are you saying that is wrong?

By the same token are you saying the council and police ticket advice is wrong ?

The argument you are having with sassy is not going anywhere, so I suggest you both take a step back and do something else instead

Stigy

taffy056 wrote: »

Really ? Well we advise on parking tickets here, most of it is of the ppc scam type, are you suggesting by saying ignore completely is the wrong thing to do ? You work for the train companies, your tickets are not enforceable unless it goes to court, are you saying that is wrong?

By the same token are you saying the council and police ticket advice is wrong ?

The argument you are having with sassy is not going anywhere, so I suggest you both take a step back and do something else instead

I'm talking about the this thread particular, in that everything I say has pretty much been either twisted or disregarded, and followed up by the default answer of "just ignore the invoice".

I'm not saying that PPC tickets as a whole are enforceable, but for people to say that only a handful of rail station car parks are covered by the Byelaws is quite a bold statement to make unles they're 100% sure. I would agree as a whole though, regarding PPC 'tickets' and council/Police ones.

I know this board deals with parking issues, and that's fine. The problem is, certain people will then try telling me what I can and can't do in my own occupation, that I KNOW is complete and utter tripe of a statement, yet whenever I come back and say something to defend my position (which is 100% true) I get called a sad jobsworth. I have the interest of all the members here in mind, whenever I post, and wish some others did too.

Just to clarify, I'm talking mainly about this thread (although I have witnessed some head burying elsewhere, but it wouldn't be fair to name names here), which may or may not be better off gone.

sassy_one

You have obviously missed out the bits in your reply to other important matters, for example how you edited all your posts knowing that Site Admin were alerted, although they still have those posts as I copied and pasted them and sent them to Admin

Now, first and foremost, I will say this one last time to you after such, unless you can show a legal statement/law on a Government owned/operated website confirming you can Caution persons, I shall not be replying to your posts further.

You are not allowed to Caution anyone, the Police confirmed that to me today, are you saying the Police are lying now, as well?!

The fact is, you do work for a Private Parking Company, as you don't work for the 'bylaws' therefore, the enforcement of the section 14 bylaw doesn't lay with you, it lays with the court, not the employee, the employee just simply 'reports' the matter not enforce it, there is a clear difference Stigy!

I have placed lots of leaflets on cars parked in Railway station car parks this week, advising anyone whom receives an invoice not to pay, I have made sure those stations were not covered by the Railway byway, however so few are it's doubtful you'll come across one very often.

Last week, you made a post that you can give Police Caution, to which, it's not here or there, you are not allowed to give Caution and even if you did, it has no place within a court room so anything someone was to say could not be used.
You also went on to say you tape record during your working shift, something that is a breach of a persons Data Protection Act, as you must have express permission.

Trading Standards I am fully aware know who and who isn't allowed to provide Caution, I have merely requested advice and aired my concerns regards your statements.


With regards claiming a station car park is covered by section 14 of the Railway bylaw when it is not to try and mislead the receiver into making payment, not only is it extortion of money but you commit the offence of Fraud misrepresentation:

A fraudulent misrepresentation is a statement of fact made without belief in its truth either recklessly, knowingly or without caring whether it is true or false with the intention that it should be acted on and it is in fact acted upon

I am concerned that someone in your 'claimed' position makes such a reckless claim they would report someone for a bylaw offence when the said bylaw offence, ie section 14 had not been committed (should the car park not be covered by such)

Now, unless you can provide a link for everyone on this thread that confirms your statement, to which we are all wrong and now including the Police, that you are legally allowed to offer and give Caution, then i shall not enter into any further talks with you as I believe my facts are not getting through.

Stigy

sassy-one wrote: »

You have obviously missed out the bits in your reply to other important matters, for example how you edited all your posts knowing that Site Admin were alerted, although they still have those posts as I copied and pasted them and sent them to Admin

I didn't edit posts to evade any sort of reprocusions as you seem to think I did. I'm not debating I have edited stuff, I often do it, usually shortly after having written it.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

Now, first and foremost, I will say this one last time to you after such, unless you can show a legal statement/law on a Government owned/operated website confirming you can Caution persons, I shall not be replying to your posts further.

You are not allowed to Caution anyone, the Police confirmed that to me today, are you saying the Police are lying now, as well?!

. No, the police told you I couldn't detain anybody against their will. The Police would not have said rail staff can't caution people. I am therefore NOT calling the Police liars, I am calling YOU a liar.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

The fact is, you do work for a Private Parking Company, as you don't work for the 'bylaws' therefore, the enforcement of the section 14 bylaw doesn't lay with you, it lays with the court, not the employee, the employee just simply 'reports' the matter not enforce it, there is a clear difference Stigy!

I work for a Train Operating Company. The reporting of the Byelaws lies with me, this is enforcement as far as I am concerned. A Police Officer enforces the law, he doesn't sentence people as the courts do, does he?

Sassy-Kins wrote:

You also went on to say you tape record during your working shift, something that is a breach of a persons Data Protection Act, as you must have express permission.

I said nothing of the sort.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

Last week, you made a post that you can give Police Caution, to which, it's not here or there, you are not allowed to give Caution and even if you did, it has no place within a court room so anything someone was to say could not be used.
You also went on to say you tape record during your working shift, something that is a breach of a persons Data Protection Act, as you must have express permission.

I made a post saying that I can caution, yes. It's not a Police caution, and saying such indicates that only the Police can use it.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

Trading Standards I am fully aware know who and who isn't allowed to provide Caution, I have merely requested advice and aired my concerns regards your statements.

And I'm pretty sure they're laughing at you as I write this.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

With regards claiming a station car park is covered by section 14 of the Railway bylaw when it is not to try and mislead the receiver into making payment, not only is it extortion of money but you commit the offence of Fraud misrepresentation:

For starters I wouldn't report for an offence if I didn't believe an offence had been committed, so that blows that one out the water.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

I am concerned that someone in your 'claimed' position makes such a reckless claim they would report someone for a bylaw offence when the said bylaw offence, ie section 14 had not been committed (should the car park not be covered by such)

I wouldn't, but if I did, it wouldn't get as far as court.

Sassy-Kins wrote:

Now, unless you can provide a link for everyone on this thread that confirms your statement, to which we are all wrong and now including the Police, that you are legally allowed to offer and give Caution, then i shall not enter into any further talks with you as I believe my facts are not getting through.

It'll be listed under that old chestnut that you know all about, but I apparently don't, somewhere (Police & Criminal Evidence Act). I'm not going to post a link, because no doubt somebody as savvy as you will have it all bookmarked.

For goodness sake, Sassy, it's been confirmed several times in this thread alone that the caution isn't reserved for Police to use. I know from experience that the caution holds great weight in court, after rail staff have used it.

sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

I didn't edit posts to evade any sort of reprocusions as you seem to think I did. I'm not debating I have edited stuff, I often do it, usually shortly after having written it.

. No, the police told you I couldn't detain anybody against their will. The Police would not have said rail staff can't caution people. I am therefore NOT calling the Police liars, I am calling YOU a liar.

I work for a Train Operating Company. The reporting of the Byelaws lies with me, this is enforcement as far as I am concerned. A Police Officer enforces the law, he doesn't sentence people as the courts do, does he?

I said nothing of the sort.

I made a post saying that I can caution, yes. It's not a Police caution, and saying such indicates that only the Police can use it.

And I'm pretty sure they're laughing at you as I write this.


For starters I wouldn't report for an offence if I didn't believe an offence had been committed, so that blows that one out the water.

I wouldn't, but if I did, it wouldn't get as far as court.

It'll be listed under that old chestnut that you know all about, but I apparently don't, somewhere (Police & Criminal Evidence Act). I'm not going to post a link, because no doubt somebody as savvy as you will have it all bookmarked.

You've said enough Stigy, I refuse to enter into talks any further with you.

You are very dishonest and result to personal insults, ie calling people liars when you are proved wrong.

The Police have advised me who can and cannot Caution persons and your job-role was not one mentioned, calling me a liar doesn't make change that, I'm afraid.

Lastly, you have shown you have been dishonest as you edited the post many of us here saw, were you claimed you carry a tape recorder and recorded convo's while on shift - denying it now weather you were being serious or not at the time of posting now shows your 'facts' and word cannot be held very high.

I refuse to enter into any topic of convo with your further, all I say is it's been fun with you trying to make a private parking companies seem to be like the Police with all there powers.

On a final note, the Police can charge people, as where you can't make that choice, therefore, you do not enforce law, like that or not, its FACT.

I bid you a final farewell and happy issuing unenforceable invoices.

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Stigy

sassy-one wrote: »

You've said enough Stigy, I refuse to enter into talks any further with you.

You are very dishonest and result to personal insults, ie calling people liars when you are proved wrong.

The Police have advised me who can and cannot Caution persons and your job-role was not one mentioned, calling me a liar doesn't make change that, I'm afraid.

Lastly, you have shown you have been dishonest as you edited the post many of us here saw, were you claimed you carry a tape recorder and recorded convo's while on shift - denying it now weather you were being serious or not at the time of posting now shows your 'facts' and word cannot be held very high.

I refuse to enter into any topic of convo with your further, all I say is it's been fun with you trying to make a private parking companies seem to be like the Police with all there powers.

On a final note, the Police can charge people, as where you can't make that choice, therefore, you do not enforce law, like that or not, its FACT.

I bid you a final farewell and happy issuing unenforceable invoices.

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Of course you'll be able to provide the post whereby I said I tape recorded conversations? No.

You obviously didn't ask the Police if an Accredited Person can caution somebody, let alone rail staff. I am an Accredited Person, and as such HAVE to caution to issue a PND. The Police can charge people, but it still has to go to court for sentencing!

That's right, bury your head in the sand. Bit like the Ford thread really, aswell as telling people to ignore their Penalty Fares etc. When the going gets tough, Sassy gets going!

BTW, Post 67 shows how I record my interviews. No tape recorders here!

sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

Of course you'll be able to provide the post whereby I said I tape recorded conversations? No.

You obviously didn't ask the Police if an Accredited Person can caution somebody, let alone rail staff. I am an Accredited Person, and as such HAVE to caution to issue a PND. The Police can charge people, but it still has to go to court for sentencing!

That's right, bury your head in the sand. Bit like the Ford thread really, aswell as telling people to ignore their Penalty Fares etc. When the going gets tough, Sassy gets going!

BTW, Post 67 shows how I record my interviews. No tape recorders here!

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I've read enough, please only stick to advice regards 'invoices' on this thread now regards the named parking company in question as otherwise it leaves me no choice but to request this thread is locked, which I would dislike doing as it provides others with help if and when needed.