Memory Foam v Pocket Springs with Foam

Pinkypants

Thank god someone else can see my point of view on Mr Deegan, while yes he has vast vast knowledge of the bed world, he is always saying that the major brands are rubbish and continuously pushing a two sided memory foam mattress. To which there are few and far between, BTW Tim sells such a mattress on his site. (Shocker)

The truth about 2 sided mattresses is THAT THEY DO NEED TURNING OVER REGULARLY, I know a 1 sided mattress has to be rotated also about once a month, but it's much easier to drag it round, then it is to flip a mattress over! Knocking the bedsides flying breaking the lamps etc.......

Also by not turning a 2 sided mattress most guarantees and nil and void. A fact Mr Deegan seems to forget every time he pushes a 2 sided mattress. Which for a balanced post I feel is something that needs to be mentioned.

1 sided mattress aren't that much cheaper to produce, yes the fillings on the underside are a LITTLE cheaper then having the same filling both sides but,,,,wages to make are the same, transport to shop is the same, in fact all the overheads are the same apart from a bit of filling!

Sometimes a 1 sided mattress is EXACTLY what the customer wants.

Sometimes the customer wants a branded name. They want to sleep on a bed made by someone that they have heard of.

If 2 sided memory foam mattresses are that good we would all be seeing them in lots and lots of shops. We don't, just like we don't see all those products on the shopping channel in the shops.

Pinkypants

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Actually in my posts if something is just my opinion then I will say so. Otherwise it is fact.

As for other retailers knowing what they are talking about, I'm sure they do. The difference is that they are trying to sell you something, and I am not. So who is going to be more impartial.

And who owns an online company, that stocks a double sided memory foam mattress made by a smaller independent company, which also had a good returns policy.

Three USP's that you always give advice on. Google it, your narrow your search down.

Otherwise why do you spend so much time on here........If the other bed companies are so dodgy and full of gimmicks, use another medium to tell people.

emmell

After reading some of the posts I did consider buying a two sided mattress but as I couldn't actually view one before buying (I don't buy anything that I haven't actually seen) I went for a pocket spring and latex top.
I find the mattress very comfortable but, as Pinkypants states above, rotating it is difficult and heavy work, so completely turning it over would be a no no, and my bedroom is a fair size so anybody with a small to average size room will find turning a kingsize mattress very difficult especially if someone had bought one because they suffer with back or arthritis problems.
So buying a double sided mattress would have been false economy for me as I would never be able to turn it over.
ML.

zzzLazyDaisy

I have a sprung mattress with a two inch top layer of memory foam. I bought it from an independent bed company. I am disabled with a spinal injury and fibromyalgia and I can tell you when I bought this mattress I had the first decent nights sleep for years. I can't remember how much it cost now, but it was about middle of the road - not cheap by any means, but not the most expensive either.

I am another one for whom a double sided mattress would have been false economy, because I am not strong enough to turn it - I live on my own, but sleep in a king size bed

One thing that was important to me, and which you may wish to look out for, is that mine has a flat surface, whereas some have the sort of top with the buttons that pull the topping in dotted over the surface (not a very technical description, sorry). Anyway when I tried the mattresses out, the flat one that I bought was infinitely more kind to my fragile muscles and bones than the ones with the indents quilted effect.

Hope this helps

Tim_Deegan

emmell wrote: »

After reading some of the posts I did consider buying a two sided mattress but as I couldn't actually view one before buying (I don't buy anything that I haven't actually seen) I went for a pocket spring and latex top.
I find the mattress very comfortable but, as Pinkypants states above, rotating it is difficult and heavy work, so completely turning it over would be a no no, and my bedroom is a fair size so anybody with a small to average size room will find turning a kingsize mattress very difficult especially if someone had bought one because they suffer with back or arthritis problems.
So buying a double sided mattress would have been false economy for me as I would never be able to turn it over.
ML.

Even turning a mattress over on very rare occasions (when there is someone to help you), would massively increase the life of the mattress. And when you consider that two sided mattresses aren't much more expensive than non turn ones, then it would make it a massive saving in the long run.

Tim_Deegan

Pinkypants wrote: »

And who owns an online company, that stocks a double sided memory foam mattress made by a smaller independent company, which also had a good returns policy.

Three USP's that you always give advice on. Google it, your narrow your search down.

Otherwise why do you spend so much time on here........If the other bed companies are so dodgy and full of gimmicks, use another medium to tell people.

You had agreed to stop causing trouble in the forums after you were warned by the forum manager.


Loads of sellers also match those criteria. I would be stupit not to practice what I preach wouldn't I???

moneysaver

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Because I am in the trade, therefore it goes against forum rules to recommend anything that could lead to personal gain.

How can you have personal gain if the item is not bought from you?

Why don't you let the forum into the secret world of beds, we can then go & buy from wherever we like.;)



Moneysaver

Pinkypants

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

You had agreed to stop causing trouble in the forums after you were warned by the forum manager.

I had agreed not to continue posting on that thread.

I'm not causing trouble, just doing what you do, putting my point of view across. Or am I not entitled too?

Jonjo42

I agree. MSE is a great site, but if you're looking for a bed or mattress, it's a waste of time. Unless of course you want to accept the exclusive advice of the resident bed salesman...

I too find that if you point out contradictions or have received conflicting advice to that of Tim Deegan's "facts" (never independently supported) and dare to post/comment you are aggressively labelled to be "in the trade" and "here to cause trouble".

Like the rest of you. I thought this site was for everyone? Why do MSE allow one man's opinion to dominate this area? I see a forum manager has recently warned that they are sick and tired of complaints relating to beds and mattresses.

My question is why they allow him to post here - as every single problem and fight surrounds Tim Deegans comments... And at the end of the day - he is in the trade and does stand to gain from his contributions?


My concerns with Tim's contributions are exactly these: (If you look at the pattern of posts of people asking for mattress advice they nearly always go like this:)

1) Someone asks advice about a type of bed and it's price at xxx retailer

2) Tim then appears and tells them it's poor quality, or overpriced, or not as good as they could get for the money from a small independent online retailer (such as his own company...)

His mantra is that you should always try and purchase:

"2 sided pocket spring with memory foam mattress"

"from a small, independent online retailer"

that offers a proper "satisfaction guarantee"

He also claims that he is "beyond reproach" as he uses his own name on MSE for transparency?


This seems like sage advice, but I have uncovered the following:

You thought you'd found a new bed, but you've just been told it's rubbish, over-priced, the wrong spec and type, etc. It's then more than likely that you will ask the person that has advised you what is suitable and what they would recommend.

At this point, Tim rightly states he can't recommend a certain item as it could be viewed as advertising which is against the rules of the forum.

He then however advise them to go and "Google" the things he has told them ("buy from a small independent company" or "buy online" from a seller with a "satisfaction guarantee" and to "buy a 2 sided mattress" if you can get one)


Most people looking at the internet for a bed and mattress would go to Google.

Typically, (after reading the mammoth "which mattress" thread) I'd imagine the things they would search for are:


"Beds"

"Mattresses"

"Memory foam mattresses"

"Pocket spring mattresses"

"Spring mattresses with memory foam"

"Latex mattresses"

I have Googled all of the above, and Tim's company, (!!!!!! Beds) does not appear anywhere in the first 3 pages of bed company websites displayed (I don't know about you, but I would never even look this far, never mind beyond.)


However, and this is the cunning bit, if you search for:



"Tim Deegan" His company, !!!!!! Beds, appears at the top?


This pattern is repeated with your favourite phrases such as:



"2 sided memory foam mattress" (on the 1st page)

"mattress with satisfaction guarantee" (on the 1st page)

"2 sided pocket spring mattress with memory foam" (on the 1st page)


As I understand it, advertising is against firm rules. This should relate to both blatant and covert advertising, as otherwise people are being misled.

My concern is that if the MSE mod's are aware of this situation, why is it allowed to continue? If they are unaware, please check my findings, as there is a rather sneaky form of promotion going on here which must be against the rules!!!

clemmatis

My current mattress is the best I've ever had (and I've tried lots, as I had a very bad back), it's pocketed spring and soft memory foam. It's a Kaymed. If I have to get a new mattress, I'll buy the same model.

Standard memory foam beds don't suit me -- or didn't then -- they're unyielding in cooler bedrooms.


edited to add: I bought it offline, from a well known discounted beds store!, trying about ten beds there before deciding.