Memory Foam v Pocket Springs with Foam

Tim_Deegan

newleaf wrote: »

It's actually surprisingly firm, it took a few nights to get used to it, but we find it very comfy now. I'll look into the outlast cover, thanks.



Yes it is, I think 7 inches of reflex foam with a 2 inch topping of memory foam.

That would explain why you find it so hot.

The outlast protctor should help, but they aren't cheap, and the cost could offset the saving you made when you bought the mattress.

How long have you had the mattress?

Tim_Deegan

ihatecaptcha wrote: »

No, I wasn't suggesting that you recommend or advertise -- just point out an example of a mattress of equivalent quality to the Warren Evans mattresses, which is on sale for a much lower price. It doesn't need to be from your own website. I just would like to see what sort of mattress you have in mind.

Well sorry but I'm not allowed to do so, but it doesn't take much seaching on the net to find loads of top of the range open coil sprung mattresses for under £200. So you will have to either take my word for it, or do some searching yourself.

ihatecaptcha wrote: »

No, I just listed the possible options: resale (as used), recycle, or dump. There just physically aren't any other options, as far as I can see.

Well you shouldn't speculate as you could be way off the mark. AS far as I know there aren't any retailers who use the methods you described. But there are some who do what I said.

ihatecaptcha wrote: »

Absolutely, I hate it when salesmen try to drag you over to whatever makes them the biggest profit or the highest commission. And I agree with you it's in the retailer's interest to reduce returns to the absolute minimum. That's exactly the problem, you see -- it seems to me that someone who's buying online, with no opportunity to try the mattresses before buying, runs a bigger risk of picking the wrong mattress than a customer who tries out a number of different mattresses beforehand. People vary so much in what kind of mattress they find comfortable, and often find it hard to put into words exactly what the difference is for them.

Well I can tell you from personal experience that although what you say may seem logical, it is actually the other way around. I speak to 1000's of people, and many of them have told me that they regretted buying a mattress that they could only try out in the shop, as although it was comfortable for 10 mins fully clothed, sleeping on it was a different matter. So they felt more confident buying from an on line retailer who gave honest advice, and with the security of knowing that they could sleep on it for a couple of weeks and then return it. A good salesman can point someone towards the right mattress and get it right almost all of the time, as long as they are very good at their job.

ihatecaptcha wrote: »

No, I'm not taking it personally. I just got interested in the question, and wondering, what exactly is it that makes a buy good value or a waste of money. Money saving is exactly the point. Is the customer more likely to make an expensive mistake by trying out mattresses beforehand, or by buying more or less blind, guided only by advice from a salesman, with no chance to try it out for themselves until after it has been installed on their bed and their previous mattress is leaning up against the wall waiting to see if the new one is suitable.

Good value is when you get a very good product at a good price. And quite frankly £275 for a double open coil sprung only mattress is a rip off in anyones book.

ihatecaptcha

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Well sorry but I'm not allowed to do so, but it doesn't take much seaching on the net to find loads of top of the range open coil sprung mattresses for under £200. So you will have to either take my word for it, or do some searching yourself.

Sure you are allowed. It's not spam for a poster to post a link to a product on a website, unless they stand to benefit from the sale of that product.

I agree there are a lot of open coil sprung mattresses for sale for less than the price Warren Evans charges, but are they equivalent quality? If you post a link to one that you think *is* of equivalent quality, then I can have a look at it and see what I think. Like I say, I have an open mind and am ready to change my opinion if it looks like you are right.

(About disposal of returned mattresses)

Well you shouldn't speculate as you could be way off the mark. AS far as I know there aren't any retailers who use the methods you described. But there are some who do what I said.

The method you mentioned was reselling the mattresses, which is one of the methods I mentioned. I can't think of any other methods than the ones I mentioned -- resale, recycle, or dump. Can you?

Well I can tell you from personal experience that although what you say may seem logical, it is actually the other way around. I speak to 1000's of people, and many of them have told me that they regretted buying a mattress that they could only try out in the shop, as although it was comfortable for 10 mins fully clothed, sleeping on it was a different matter. So they felt more confident buying from an on line retailer who gave honest advice, and with the security of knowing that they could sleep on it for a couple of weeks and then return it. A good salesman can point someone towards the right mattress and get it right almost all of the time, as long as they are very good at their job.

Maybe so. Wouldn't a good honest salesman in a shop be able to do the same, with the added advantage that the customer could try the recommended mattress then and there?

Good value is when you get a very good product at a good price. And quite frankly £275 for a double open coil sprung only mattress is a rip off in anyones book.

You see, this is what I don't understand. If you feel free to talk about a specific Warren Evans mattress as being what you consider a rip-off, why do you think you aren't able to talk about some other specific mattress as being not a rip-off but good value? If there are loads of them on the net, why not just pick one out and post the link? I am sure you won't get in to trouble for it, as long as it's not from a website that you own or benefit from.

Nile

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Well sorry but I'm not allowed to do so, but it doesn't take much seaching on the net to find loads of top of the range open coil sprung mattresses for under £200. So you will have to either take my word for it, or do some searching yourself.

ihatecaptcha wrote: »

Sure you are allowed. It's not spam for a poster to post a link to a product on a website, unless they stand to benefit from the sale of that product.

Please accept that Tim is not allowed to recommend or promote beds and mattresses. I don't know what the MSE Team or Forum Team have specifically told Tim..................but he has obviously been told to refrain from advertising which includes recommending or promoting beds and mattresses on MSE.

Arguments and taking threads off topic do not help anyone to find useful information and moneysaving help.

Nile

ihatecaptcha

Nile wrote: »

Please accept that Tim is not allowed to recommend or promote beds and mattresses. I don't know what the MSE Team or Forum Team have specifically told Tim..................but he has obviously been told to refrain from advertising which includes recommending or promoting beds and mattresses on MSE.

Arguments and taking threads off topic do not help anyone to find useful information and moneysaving help.

Nile

Okey-dokey.

moneysaver

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Well that would depend on the individual retailer. So you would have to ask them. I know that some sell them as 'tried out and returned' items on either ebay or a clearance section on their web site.

No reputable retailer would try and sell them as new.

We can ask a retailer on this thread.( I may get a politicians answer though)

What do you do with your returns Tim?;)


Moneysaver

Tim_Deegan

moneysaver wrote: »

We can ask a retailer on this thread.( I may get a politicians answer though)

What do you do with your returns Tim?;)


Moneysaver

No you can't ask me that on MSE, or should I say I can't answer it, because it could still be promoting my company over others. And I'm not here to promote my company or advertise. I'm here to give money saving, and other general advice, and to tell the truth about all the hype and gimmicks used in the bed industry.

If anyone wants to know what a retailer does with returns, then all they have to do is ask the retailer.

newleaf

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

How long have you had the mattress?

I think we've had it about 3 years now.

Tim_Deegan

newleaf wrote: »

I think we've had it about 3 years now.

Well before you go out and buy an Outlast mattress protector, which are about £80, then it may be worth giving your mattress a good inspection. The reflex foam layer can start to soften or even dip over time. This iscaused by the bubbles in the foam starting to burst. This won't happen with the memory foam layer, as it is open celled, and doesn't have bubbles to burst.

So lay a straight edge over the mattress to see if it dips. And also push down all over the mattress to see if you can feel any soft spots. If it does have either then it may be worth hanging on until you are ready to replace the mattress, rather than spending out on the mattress protector. Then when you do replace it, go for one with springs (full size steel springs) and memory foam on top, as this will allow air to circulate under the memory foam and dissipate the heat.