Luton Airport ANPR 'fines'

MissMoneypenny

NFH wrote: »

As requested, I have re-read what you wrote. In direct reply to Coupon-mad's comment "The way to go is simply to allow free quick pick ups outside, not in some short-stay car park", you wrote "There is a free drop off and pick up area". Because of the specific context in which you made your reply and the preceding comment that your reply attempted to negate, it implied an incorrect belief by you that there is a free drop off and pick up area outside a short-stay car park.

:rotfl:Now you are really scraping the barrel, by taking part of a sentence to try to prove you are correct, when the full sentence proves you are wrong. Below is my full sentence.

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

There is a free drop off and pick up area, but if you want to drop your family off outside the terminal, can't you just cut out another coupon for something else, so you free up a £1 to pay Luton?

I'm not quite sure how you convinced yourself you were going to get away with that one, but it might be better (for you) if you just learned to apologise when you are wrong. When you are in a hole, stop digging.;)

Are we all clear now? I've only been to Luton once and I've picked it up. You can look at the link to the animated car parks at Luton (that I gave earlier) if there is still some confusion.

• Free (for 30 minutes) drop off and pick up car park and free bus that runs every 10 minutes, on a 3 - 5 minute journey and drops off and collects closest of all to the terminal.
• If you drive up to the terminal and drop off (only) it costs £1.
• The short stay car park is just by the terminal and can be used for pick-ups or drop offs - cost about £3.50 for 15(?) minutes. I stayed for about 30 minutes and it cost £4.50.

Coupon-mad

You are the only one in your little hole on here - still lecturing me about 'dropping my family off somewhere safe' when I have never dropped my family off at an airport and never been to Luton except to watch them lose at footy.

We are simply saying that people who do drop off family or pick them up after a holiday have, we think, every right to expect to be able to park outside briefly - not in a car park elsewhere. That's the more dangerous scenario, in my book! If I got off a plane with all our cases when our 4 kids were smaller it would have been unthinkable to have them wandering along ANY distance in the dark, tired and jet-lagged, whilst OH and me were busy coping with trundling the trolleys along.

And FWIW, like you, I am a regular on more than one board on MSE but rarely bother with the argumentative Arms or discussion threads. Maybe you've been there too long?

We don't need to be arguing about this at all. Private parking tickets are unenforceable trash and Luton Airport 'fake bus lane tickets' are included in that. You know that's the case so why keep banging on about how perfect the Luton signage is when it's not relevant?

robredz

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You are the only one in your little hole on here - still lecturing me about 'dropping my family off somewhere safe' when I have never dropped my family off at an airport and never been to Luton except to watch them lose at footy.

We are simply saying that people who do drop off family or pick them up after a holiday have, we think, every right to expect to be able to park outside briefly - not in a car park elsewhere. That's the more dangerous scenario, in my book! If I got off a plane with all our cases when our 4 kids were smaller it would have been unthinkable to have them wandering along ANY distance in the dark, tired and jet-lagged, whilst OH and me were busy coping with trundling the trolleys along.

And FWIW, like you, I am a regular on more than one board on MSE but rarely bother with the argumentative Arms or discussion threads. Maybe you've been there too long?

We don't need to be arguing about this at all. Private parking tickets are unenforceable trash and Luton Airport 'fake bus lane tickets' are included in that. You know that's the case so why keep banging on about how perfect the Luton signage is when it's not relevant?

hear hear 'nuff said, ppc and "private" bus lane tickets are invoices, and unenforceable

MissMoneypenny

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I have never dropped my family off at an airport and never been to Luton except to watch them lose at footy.

We are simply saying that people who do drop off family or pick them up after a holiday have, we think, every right to expect to be able to park outside briefly - not in a car park elsewhere. That's the more dangerous scenario, in my book! If I got off a plane with all our cases when our 4 kids were smaller it would have been unthinkable to have them wandering along ANY distance in the dark, tired and jet-lagged, whilst OH and me were busy coping with trundling the trolleys along.

You haven't been to Luton; it seems you haven't looked at the animated link of Luton parking I gave; you have ignored all the times I have said that the free bus get nearer to the terminal than the £1 drop-off area; plus it isn't dark as it is very well lit (I was there at midnight). So you don't really know what you are talking about when you talk about the safety of people at Luton.

Coupon-mad wrote: »

We don't need to be arguing about this at all. Private parking tickets are unenforceable trash and Luton Airport 'fake bus lane tickets' are included in that. You know that's the case so why keep banging on about how perfect the Luton signage is when it's not relevant?

I am having to "keep banging on" to people who can't read and retain information from posts here. I am beginning to realise why so many of you get parking tickets.:D

Yet again...I am not talking about how legal the parking tickets are. As I said before, what amazes me is how people are prepared to risk their families safety for the sake of saving about 50p (£1 parking less the cost of the extra fuel). Of course you won't understand that as you have never been to Luton or looked at any of their online maps.

Coupon-mad

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Of course you won't understand that as you have never been to Luton or looked at any of their online maps.

Errr...I said I HAD been to Luton (footy) but not the Airport. And why would I want to look at a map of an Airport I will never go to?

Methinks you work there...it seems to me you protest too much?

NFH

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

• If you drive up to the terminal and drop off (only) it costs £1.
• The short stay car park is just by the terminal and can be used for pick-ups or drop offs - cost about £3.50 for 15(?) minutes. I stayed for about 30 minutes and it cost £4.50.

That's the problem. Consumers visiting the airport do not believe that the airport is reasonably entitled to receive a fee in return for passengers being dropped off or picked up at the terminal. Because of the airport's unreasonable attempts to charge £1 for this, everyone should drop off their passengers on the roundabout to maximise convenience for paying passengers at the airport's expense, and anyone receiving consequent correspondence from Roxburghe et al should ignore it since it is legally toothless.

esmerobbo

I looked on the animated map and I noticed it had £1 for up to 10 mins for the drop off area. It does not say what if anything happens, if you overstay the 10 mins? Maybe that is why people are reluctant to use it. We know how these lovely PPC's operate a 1 min grace period. It would not take long for the word to spread if people are receiving £80 invoices for being on the car park a little to long.

I can see MissMoneypenny's point if passengers are endangering people to save a pound its wrong, however its the Airport who have created this problem. Passengers are already paying a levy to use the Airport so there should be a free option to drop people off, near the terminal, as long as the vehicle is not left unattended. If the problem is there, a better road layout maybe needed allowing drop off. It seems to work at much busier Airports then Luton.

Using a PPC to try and enforce traffic flow is never going to work as they have to issue invoices to survive. They work on percentage so they know since more and more people are learning not to pay them, they are increasing their output.

pustit

I have just received a "Parking Enforcement Notice" from APCOA
Contravention 02-Dropping off/picking up outside of a designated parking area.
The only point they have wrong on the letter is my Postcode - it is for a completely different town.
Will this "error" in any way invalidate the legality of the form ?

daveyjp

The form isn't legal as you haven't committed an offence. Read the rest of the thread, but advice is to ignore the invoice.

pustit

Luton Airport call it a Penalty Charge - it's not allowed to be called a 'penalty' either.

They have now changed the wording on this.
The letter I recently received from APCOA is headed "Parking Enforcement Notice"
Does this change the position in any way ?