IMPORTANT: Please make sure your posts do not contain any personally identifiable information (both your own and that of others). When uploading images, please take care that you have redacted all personal information including number plates, reference numbers and QR codes (which may reveal vehicle information when scanned).
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Metro Penalty Fare Notice

Options
1151618202124

Comments

  • taffy056
    taffy056 Posts: 4,895 Forumite
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/nationalrailpenaltyfares/
    A penalty fare is what is legally known as 'strict liability'. In other words, there is no need to prove intention to avoid payment, honesty or dishonesty, it's a simple matter of whether or not the passenger can show a valid ticket if ticket facilities were available at their starting station. However, this is a civil, not a criminal matter, similar to a parking ticket. Outside penalty fare areas passengers without tickets intending to avoid payment may be prosecuted under provisions of the 1889 Railways Act
    Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
    They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
    Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?
  • Fergie76
    Fergie76 Posts: 2,293 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    taffy056 wrote: »
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/nationalrailpenaltyfares/
    A penalty fare is what is legally known as 'strict liability'. In other words, there is no need to prove intention to avoid payment, honesty or dishonesty, it's a simple matter of whether or not the passenger can show a valid ticket if ticket facilities were available at their starting station. However, this is a civil, not a criminal matter, similar to a parking ticket. Outside penalty fare areas passengers without tickets intending to avoid payment may be prosecuted under provisions of the 1889 Railways Act

    I feel you're wasting your time....
  • taffy056
    taffy056 Posts: 4,895 Forumite
    Fergie76 wrote: »
    I feel you're wasting your time....

    Well its not a criminal matter unless it goes to court, you lose and the judge decides it is, really its there in black and white on the above government website.
    Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
    They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
    Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?
  • Fergie76
    Fergie76 Posts: 2,293 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    taffy056 wrote: »
    Well its not a criminal matter unless it goes to court, you lose and the judge decides it is, really its there in black and white on the above government website.

    I meant wasting your time with Geordieracer.
  • taffy056
    taffy056 Posts: 4,895 Forumite
    Fergie76 wrote: »
    I meant wasting your time with Geordieracer.

    Its the same thing ;)
    This situation really is a civil matter, and parents of children should be told brefore the 21 days, is it because they make so much money out of it that they are using children's nature against them ?

    Nothing wrong having pfn, but the system appears to be designed not to catch the persistent fare dodgers, but the customers who have been caught out at stations where the machines are out of order or huge queues, they would buy tickets but are caught out by train companies and their money savings cut backs.

    As I said

    Penalty fares - cash cow

    £32m made in a year from one company, taking expenses out leaves them an estimated £18m profit, and an appeals process that are run by a train company, doesn't it remind you of the ppc scam but on a larger scale ?
    Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
    They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
    Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?
  • king100
    king100 Posts: 1,565 Forumite
    I know the full difference it appears you do not understand that it is a railway by law that has been broken and this is a criminal offence - check the other thread about the parking fine someone got by Northern Rail.. All the advice there is too pay it too.


    Tell you what right, because you obviously know more about how railway laws work rather then someone who has worked in the railway for nearly 18 years - you go send a 15 year old onto a train without a ticket until they get caught. Then you try and not pay it within the 21 days notice you get then you try your best to uphold that in a court of law then get back to me.

    Breaking a railway by law is against the law.

    full stop.

    Fergie - I am telling you this because it is fact not fiction and this is where you are not being told or taking advice from someone in the rail industry.Argue the point amongst yourselves now...

    Here are some shovels so you can dig yourself deeper.

    You are missing the point totally.

    Regardless of what laws she has broken, why railway bylaws she has broken, the punishment that was issued is classed as a civil matter.

    If she was arrested and taken to court then it a civil matter.
    I all have learnt is from others on many sites.
    Seek legal help if unsure.
    Dont pay Private Parking tickets - they are mere invoices.

    PRESS THANKS
    }
  • The letter was sent to the parents though.:j:j:j:j:j:j:j

    when it was apparent that the daughter could not pay the fine.

    I have never said its acceptable for not having a ticket. your making up things up now.. look at the bold text.


    ill tell you why it is acceptable to not inform the parents is because the child is over the age of 10.


    If they were under that age then we have a duty of care. but if they are under that age then they should not be on their own. She got caught not paying her fare.

    SHE DID NOT PRODUCE A VALID TICKET FOR HER JOURNEY


    Are you going to argue any more about this very salient fact or what?

    Sorry i have not been on for a while. I have been watching my daughter 24/7 to make sure she does not do anything else wrong. Taffy and a few others have some commonsense, you obviously do not.

    It is obvious from the comments on here that we all know kids (except you and grumpy santa) will hide the truth to avoid getting into further trouble with their parents. This does not mean this is the correct attitude to have but guess what, it is your typical teenager these days.

    A point you are choosing to ignore is that the only person who knows for sure whether my daughter actually bought a ticket is my daughter. FULL STOP.
    That is unless you have psychic powers and if so, please tell me this weeks Euro lottery numbers so i can afford to pay the admin fee of £30.

    For the record, I have sent off the £20 fine. They can whistle dixy for the admin fee. A computerised letter with a scanned signature, placed into an enveloped and sent out with the rest of the post cost £30. KMA.

    I would rather see them in court and I will, even if it costs 10 times that. I will explain why to you because being a man of little intelligence and a brainwashed opinion will not understand this.

    I believe in standing up for peoples rights especially against the bully boy companies who blatantly abuse their positions in authority and even use kids to rip off adults anyway they see fit?

    It is very simple, your rules are unfair and need to be changed. Only if to allow unsuspectiing parents to be aware of their childrens actions and have the ability to pay the fine, appeal within the 21 days or say tough and then face the consequences.

    To say your comapny rules do not have to inform parents about an issued fare notice sums up the contempt you treat people with. The real reason why you do not admit this is because you know it will make you look unreasonable and unfair in the eyes of the British public. Or you are just plain dumb.

    It does not matter which, except if you were to change the rules several things would happen.

    1. It would restore some public trust in the transport system that is sadly lacking through uncaring attitudes such as your own.

    2. Your income revenue from late payment admin fees would drop dramatically.

    HMMMMMMMMMM. Hard one that isn't it?

    I am not bothered what your rules are, only that they are unfair on parents of minors and for the record my daughter is old enough to be travelling on metros with her friend, as long as she has bought a ticket.

    On this occasion she could not produce a valid ticket when challenged. Whether a £20 fine is fair or not is not an issue it is the ruls. I have never questioned the fact she has incurred a £20 fine and this has been paid. It is how they wait until after the 21 days to slap on the £30 admin fee that i disagree with.

    If they automatically wrote out to the parents they would remove any doubt on whether the parents had the opportunity to pay the fine within the 21 days to avoid the admin fee of £30. Or is that to simple and would lose them revenue?

    Thanks to all of the others who have posted helpful comments previously.

    CHEERS ME DEARS!!!:T
  • Fergie76
    Fergie76 Posts: 2,293 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Sorry i have not been on for a while. I have been watching my daughter 24/7 to make sure she does not do anything else wrong. Taffy and a few others have some commonsense, you obviously do not.

    It is obvious from the comments on here that we all know kids (except you and grumpy santa) will hide the truth to avoid getting into further trouble with their parents. This does not mean this is the correct attitude to have but guess what, it is your typical teenager these days.

    A point you are choosing to ignore is that the only person who knows for sure whether my daughter actually bought a ticket is my daughter. FULL STOP.
    That is unless you have psychic powers and if so, please tell me this weeks Euro lottery numbers so i can afford to pay the admin fee of £30.

    For the record, I have sent off the £20 fine. They can whistle dixy for the admin fee. A computerised letter with a scanned signature, placed into an enveloped and sent out with the rest of the post cost £30. KMA.

    I would rather see them in court and I will, even if it costs 10 times that. I will explain why to you because being a man of little intelligence and a brainwashed opinion will not understand this.

    I believe in standing up for peoples rights especially against the bully boy companies who blatantly abuse their positions in authority and even use kids to rip off adults anyway they see fit?

    It is very simple, your rules are unfair and need to be changed. Only if to allow unsuspectiing parents to be aware of their childrens actions and have the ability to pay the fine, appeal within the 21 days or say tough and then face the consequences.

    To say your comapny rules do not have to inform parents about an issued fare notice sums up the contempt you treat people with. The real reason why you do not admit this is because you know it will make you look unreasonable and unfair in the eyes of the British public. Or you are just plain dumb.

    It does not matter which, except if you were to change the rules several things would happen.

    1. It would restore some public trust in the transport system that is sadly lacking through uncaring attitudes such as your own.

    2. Your income revenue from late payment admin fees would drop dramatically.

    HMMMMMMMMMM. Hard one that isn't it?

    I am not bothered what your rules are, only that they are unfair on parents of minors and for the record my daughter is old enough to be travelling on metros with her friend, as long as she has bought a ticket.

    On this occasion she could not produce a valid ticket when challenged. Whether a £20 fine is fair or not is not an issue it is the ruls. I have never questioned the fact she has incurred a £20 fine and this has been paid. It is how they wait until after the 21 days to slap on the £30 admin fee that i disagree with.

    If they automatically wrote out to the parents they would remove any doubt on whether the parents had the opportunity to pay the fine within the 21 days to avoid the admin fee of £30. Or is that to simple and would lose them revenue?

    Thanks to all of the others who have posted helpful comments previously.

    CHEERS ME DEARS!!!:T

    Good for you!!!
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,543 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Well said, macthemountie!

    Do let us know what happens, I would have done the same.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Well said, macthemountie!

    Do let us know what happens, I would have done the same.

    Thanks guys. :T

    I will let you know if I hear anything back from Moneygrabbers and co. If they do not pursue it then fair play. I only hope it doesn't cost Thomas the Tank Engine his job through lost revenue.:rotfl:

    Cheers me Dears :beer:
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.7K Spending & Discounts
  • 244.2K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 599.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177K Life & Family
  • 257.6K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.