Metro Penalty Fare Notice

geordieracer

taffy056 wrote: »

They are not independent as they are owned by a train company, an independent body would have no connection like PATAS for appealing parking tickets

they are not owned by a train operating company. This would be too difficult to maintain as they change hands once every 10 years or so. Yes we go to fund them somewhat but they are independent and are quite fair to most travellers if they have a valid excuse for why they did not purchase a ticket.


http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_world/travel/public_transport.htm

Fergie76

geordieracer wrote: »

they are not owned by a train operating company. This would be too difficult to maintain as they change hands once every 10 years or so. Yes we go to fund them somewhat but they are independent and are quite fair to most travellers if they have a valid excuse for why they did not purchase a ticket.


http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_world/travel/public_transport.htm

How can they be independent, if funded by the Train Companies??

taffy056

Well looks like the dft has got it wrong then

geordieracer wrote: »

they are not owned by a train operating company.

The Independent Penalty Fares Appeals Service (IPFAS)

4.39 Every penalty fares scheme which has so far been approved has arranged for appeals to be dealt with by the Independent Penalty Fares Appeals Service (IPFAS), in line with the IPFAS code of practice. We have approved this code of practice for the purposes of rule 9.
4.40 IPFAS is managed by Connex SouthEastern Ltd,

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/pf/penaltyfarespolicya?page=7

geordieracer

taffy056 wrote: »

Well looks like the dft has got it wrong then



The Independent Penalty Fares Appeals Service (IPFAS)

4.39 Every penalty fares scheme which has so far been approved has arranged for appeals to be dealt with by the Independent Penalty Fares Appeals Service (IPFAS), in line with the IPFAS code of practice. We have approved this code of practice for the purposes of rule 9.
4.40 IPFAS is managed by Connex SouthEastern Ltd,

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/pf/penaltyfarespolicya?page=7

connex southeastern have ceased to trade as a Train operating company for about the last 10 years..Also you have failed top quote the rest of that paragraph thus only showing what you want to show.. Ill continue it for you

but as a separate unit whose management does not report to the commercial director. When the Regulator asked for opinions from the public and the rail industry a few years ago, most people agreed that appeals must be dealt with independently and consistently, but there was little agreement on what the practical arrangements should be. Some people questioned the need to change what was already in place. Without a practical alternative offering any clear advantages, we believe that the current arrangements are satisfactory, as long as IPFAS:

remains a separate unit, with its own accounts and a line management that does not report to the commercial director;
continues to decide appeals in line with a set of specific criteria which we have approved;
continues to be funded independently of the outcome of the appeals it processes, for example, by receiving a set fee for each appeal, no matter whether that appeal is accepted or turned down; and
continues to receive enough funding to carry out its functions, while costs are fairly distributed between operators using the service. To make sure that this is the case, we have agreed the charging arrangements between IPFAS and the operators who use the service.


Fergie - we pay towards them but they have to be transparent and independent of what the TOC wants or tells them. The same as we actually pay money to other rail bodies who fight for the passenger too,like passenger focus.

taffy056

I question the independence of this organisation , and though connex has gone, its still run by a train company, to be independent it should not have any connection to a train company

geordieracer wrote: »

connex southeastern have ceased to trade as a Train operating company for about the last 10 years..

Although IPFAS is a part of Southeastern, all the conditions specified by the DfT in para 4.40 of the Penalty Fares Policy statement are satisfied, and IPFAS has been sanctioned as an official independent appeals body for over 15 years.

https://www.penaltyfares.co.uk/static/appeal.aspx?from=2

geordieracer

taffy056 wrote: »

I question the independence of this organisation , and though connex has gone, its still run by a train company, to be independent it should not have any connection to a train company



Although IPFAS is a part of Southeastern, all the conditions specified by the DfT in para 4.40 of the Penalty Fares Policy statement are satisfied, and IPFAS has been sanctioned as an official independent appeals body for over 15 years.

https://www.penaltyfares.co.uk/static/appeal.aspx?from=2

Crap - I forgot SE were not part of the DFT anymore


So does that satisfy you that IFPAS is independent enough for you all?

king100

geordieracer

Still waiting for a comment on criminal and civil?

Fergie76

geordieracer wrote: »

Im leaving this thread now as some of you will not be told

If only................

geordieracer

king100 wrote: »

geordieracer

Still waiting for a comment on criminal and civil?

I know the full difference it appears you do not understand that it is a railway by law that has been broken and this is a criminal offence - check the other thread about the parking fine someone got by Northern Rail.. All the advice there is too pay it too.


Tell you what right, because you obviously know more about how railway laws work rather then someone who has worked in the railway for nearly 18 years - you go send a 15 year old onto a train without a ticket until they get caught. Then you try and not pay it within the 21 days notice you get then you try your best to uphold that in a court of law then get back to me.

Breaking a railway by law is against the law.

full stop.

Fergie - I am telling you this because it is fact not fiction and this is where you are not being told or taking advice from someone in the rail industry.Argue the point amongst yourselves now...

anewman

geordieracer wrote: »

Tell you what right, because you obviously know more about how railway laws work rather then someone who has worked in the railway for nearly 18 years

Breaking a railway by law is against the law.

I think the people who have worked for PPC's for years have their own, not so accurate, idea of the law regarding parking on private land too.

Why have railway bye-laws? Why not Bus and Taxi bye-laws too?!