MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

It's you who are implying that the end of private clamping will lead to chaos in England. I am saying that this did not happen when the ban was introduced in Scotland twenty years ago. You are twisting my words.

You are twisting your own words or getting confused again.

I have not implied anything, you have just presumed incorrectly.

With clamping in England, there was no chaos, civilization was ticking along just fine. Without clamping, the world as we know it will still be relativley the same.

I am not the dramatacist banging on about how great life is in Scotland, because they haven't had clamping for 20 years.

trisontana

liam8282 wrote: »

You are twisting your own words or getting confused again.

I have not implied anything, you have just presumed incorrectly.

With clamping in England, there was no chaos, civilization was ticking along just fine. Without clamping, the world as we know it will still be relativley the same.

I am not the dramatacist banging on about how great life is in Scotland, because they haven't had clamping for 20 years.

So we both agree that private clamping is an irrelevance and its loss will not be missed.

Rainmaker_uk

At the end of the day clampers (and those that hire them) have proved that they cannot be trusted to self regulate or put pressure on the more shady operators.

The industry has proved there is no other option but to stop the unfair practices on the public by banning this practice.

This is long overdue and I for one support this move!

anewman

liam8282 wrote: »

So every person that runs a business and has parking spaces can afford bollards, a professional to fit it, remote control bollards and barrier systems?

You haven't thought before posting have you?

If somebody could give a sensible answer, I would be happy to acknowledge it.

Yes, yes, yes, and no.

In order to be able to afford to own land these days you have to have more than tens of thousands stashed away. The reality is that most small businesses do not own the land they operate from. If you are a business and a barrier is critical to making money, then you will find a way to get that barrier or to relocate the business or operate from the internet instead and so on.

liam8282 wrote: »

So a small business that has say only 10 parking spaces, and 5 of these are being abused by people who are not using that business are not suffering?

Customers cannot park at the business and therefore cannot use it, loss of trade, the small business is suffering an actual material loss. This loss could be accumulated daily.

Then the business has to either get a barrier system installed, operate via phone/internet and provide deliveries, or even relocate - or it's tough titties for the business (I know of many businesses that have adapted in such a way and have in fact benefited in the long run from lower running costs and increased sales prices due to their products reaching a far wider audience than in the small building they were before with no or little parking). Chances are their costs such as rent are cheaper because of any known parking issues. I am sure most businesses face far more difficult issues that threaten their survival than someone using their land to park.

Lets start with you. Which business do you own, what does that business produce or sell and to who, what is the car park like, and how much parking abuse do you experience? Since people using spaces in your business is such an issue for you we'd all like to help.

liam8282

taffy056 wrote: »

Great the clamping scum are being outlawed, its been a long time in coming.

As for parking in private car parks, use a bollard or barrier, ensure people get a ticket on the way in, and pay to leave, or if in a supermarket et al, get their ticket endorsed at the till when money has been spent, if a bollard/barrier system is not suitable a length of chain between 2 posts would be enough, any landowner can afford spending a few quid to do that.

Yes put a length of chain up so no customers can get in or out.

Or as I said before pay for a full time employee, they can sit at the side of the chain and take it down / put it up, when a customer comes / goes.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

So we both agree that private clamping is an irrelevance and its loss will not be missed.

It will be missed by those who relied on it as a deterent to people parking on their land without permission.

lucylucky

liam8282 wrote: »

Yes put a length of chain up so no customers can get in or out.

Or as I said before pay for a full time employee, they can sit at the side of the chain and take it down / put it up, when a customer comes / goes.

Practical solutions are being presented to you and you dismiss them out of hand.

Different solutions may be required in different areas, however the scum that are the clamping firms will have to find another source of income.

For that I am glad.

liam8282

lucylucky wrote: »

Practical solutions are being presented to you and you dismiss them out of hand.

Different solutions may be required in different areas, however the scum that are the clamping firms will have to find another source of income.

For that I am glad.

I gave a pretty simple scenario of a small shop, with a small car park, which needs to be accessable to staff and customers.

I have not heard one single practical solution to stop people parking without permission.

No solution is enforceable, so at the end of the day, I do not believe there is one single practical solution.


I don't want to get into silly small minded name calling such as all clampers are scum. Especially if you fail to accept or acknowledge that the people parking without permission are just as bad, if not worse.


I have said over and over, that the cowboy clampers deserve everything they get, but I could also see the benefits of legitimate clamping companies.

Now we have been left with no deterent at all, ANY private land is fair game if you want to park on it.

lucylucky

liam8282 wrote: »

I gave a pretty simple scenario of a small shop, with a small car park, which needs to be accessable to staff and customers.

I have not heard one single practical solution to stop people parking without permission.

No solution is enforceable, so at the end of the day, I do not believe there is one single practical solution.




I don't want to get into silly small minded name calling such as all clampers are scum. Especially if you fail to accept or acknowledge that the people parking without permission are just as bad, if not worse.


I have said over and over, that the cowboy clampers deserve everything they get, but I could also see the benefits of legitimate clamping companies.

Now we have been left with no deterent at all, ANY private land is fair game if you want to park on it.

Small shop with small car park.

Erect barrier.

Customers drive up, barrier opens.

Customers use shop and are given token/code to leave.

People not using shop may purchase code/token if they so wish.

Ticket/code cost set at what shop owner decides.

Works very well at a small car park I use.

liam8282

lucylucky wrote: »

Small shop with small car park.

Erect barrier.

Customers drive up, barrier opens.

Customers use shop and are given token/code to leave.

People not using shop may purchase code/token if they so wish.

Ticket/code cost set at what shop owner decides.

Works very well at a small car park I use.

That system would probably cost more in the setup and maintenance than for example a small newsagents, hairdressers, butchers........... could make in profit to pay for it.

Also, what if there are is an entrance / exit, would you pay for 2 barriers.

What if the parking spaces are on a main road....

The list goes on.

As usual your system would only work in one specific scenario.