MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

Kite2010

trisontana wrote: »

Except the car has not been parked "illegally", because no law of the land has been broken. There might be a case to answer in civil law, but that's not the same thing.

That blows my plan out of the water

Bashy

liam8282 wrote: »

That system would probably cost more in the setup and maintenance than for example a small newsagents, hairdressers, butchers........... could make in profit to pay for it.

Also, what if there are is an entrance / exit, would you pay for 2 barriers.

What if the parking spaces are on a main road....

The list goes on.

As usual your system would only work in one specific scenario.

The answer to all of your questions is here in one,

Clampers and tickets were the answer to all of your questions but GREED took over!! this ban would not have come in otherwise.

Not that i have been clamped before but if it was a small charge and the notice was right in front of where i parked then yes i deserve a ticket/clamp and would pay and not park there again.

Not silly money and a sigh small 15 foot up round a corner etc

So because of GREED its now banned serves them right - Case closed

bandwagon

[FONT=&quot]I can't believe most of the posts on here. Everyone loves a freebie but people that just decide to park where they like are as bad as the "thieving scum" clampers. I help manage a sports ground (all run voluntarily) and as we are close to the town centre we have always had a problem with people abusing our car park.
It's not as simple as putting a barrier or lockable posts up as some people on here suggest. The car park has to be open all day in order for people to either use the sports facilities (this would include visiting sports people - so impractical to have a swipe card) and also for parents dropping off/ picking up for the nursery school.
We also rent out a number of our spaces to provide an income that helps provide important funds to pay for the upkeep of the facility, which is, after all, for the benefit of the community. There's no real difference between parking in a space that someone has paid to rent, than to just parking on their drive.
To anyone who suggests that some sort of complex barrier arrangement is the answer obviously doesn't understand how much these things cost. We are a sporting facility and should be spending our money on sporting facilities rather than systems to prevent dishonest !!!!!!!!!!s parking where they shouldn't We aren't a profit making "business" so why should we have to incur such expenses?

We took the decision to start clamping a few years ago as a last resort, and although in practice very few people actually get clamped, it has proved an effective deterrent. Release fees aren't extortionate at around £90 when you consider it is £10 per day to park in the town anyway.
To ban the use of clamping on the basis of a relatively small number of rogue operators is akin to banning all drivers because there are a minority of nutcases on our roads causing carnage and death. Surely a better solution is to legislate for a maximum release fee?
Without any enforceable deterrent, will we just end up with "whoops, your car seems to have been hit by a cricket / golf ball - all cars are parked at owners risk, did you notice the sign?"[/FONT]

Bashy

bandwagon wrote: »

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We took the decision to start clamping a few years ago as a last resort, and although in practice very few people actually get clamped, it has proved an effective deterrent. Release fees aren't extortionate at around £90 when you consider it is £10 per day to park in the town anyway.
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Your answer is the same dont the think £90 is taking the !!!! £20 would have been enough to stop them parking there again thus same reply GREED took over

And it not just the money that stops folk parking there again its the time they would have been waiting for the clamp to be removed, this alone would stop folk parking where you didnt want them to without money been charged

magicrichard5

I'm for the plans, in general. The fees charged were extortionate in some cases, and a lot of the firms have done very little to ensure best practises are kept to.

But does it present new challenges for private landowners trying to protect their land?

Can supermarkets no longer punish people who park in disabled/P&C spaces? What about people who over stay their welcome in "2 hours free and only for customers" spaces?

Surely it would be a sad state of affairs (and possibly impractical anyway) for every private land-owner in the country to have to install barriers in order to protect their land from those with an unhealthy lack of respect for other people's properties.

FWIW - I believe letting people's tyres down is illegal. For a start it would cost them to replace the air, so it can't be argued it's free. Secondly i think it is regarded as damage, if something has to be done to put it back to its original state. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, I hope very much that noone could justify their actions in the face of the puncture not being noticed by a car driver and subsequently involving them in a serious accident. Not cool guys.

bandwagon

£90 is two tanks of petrol, I'm sure a car owner can afford that especially as they weren't paying for parking anyway. If they only get clamped twice a month then they're still quids in. We don't see any of the fee anyway. Who is going to provide a service to us to clamp rogue parkers for £20 a go and be on 24hour call out to release people. The !!!!!!!!!!s do after all have a choice not to park there, why should we do them any favours for stealing from us?

cajef

bandwagon wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]. Release fees aren't extortionate at around £90 [/FONT]

Try telling that to a pensioner or someone on low income.

anewman

bandwagon wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]I can't believe most of the posts on here. Everyone loves a freebie but people that just decide to park where they like are as bad as the "thieving scum" clampers.[/FONT]

I think the majority of people park their cars with some consideration, and noone is saying they can park where how and when they like.

Sadly if you haven't realised, clampers are out to make a living and take money off motorists. Then how do they do this? Well if you read other posts here you will find they like to make signs impossible to read and place them away from entrances and/or intentionally hide the signs. There are also numerous cases of people entering a street then starting a 3-point turn to leave when the clamper's use their van to block them in then clamp them. The number of bogus clampers is just completely out of control and I am sure this forum and pepipoo only touch the tip of the iceberg with most victims paying up and getting on with their lives.

I would agree there are probably more inconsiderate parkers than there are rogue clampers, but that isn't what this post is about at all.

bandwagon wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]Without any enforceable deterrent, will we just end up with "whoops, your car seems to have been hit by a cricket / golf ball - all cars are parked at owners risk, did you notice the sign?"[/FONT]

Well that may well be the case, but that would be criminal damage, and two wrongs don't make a right. It would only be gotten away with until the offender was spotted by someone and reported to the police for criminal damage - with other reports of criminal damage in the area the police may well be more apt to punish the offender.

Sadly the reality is, a barrier system of some sort to allow parking only to those intended would be much cheaper to purchase, install, and maintain, than some sports facilities. You're not telling me there are no doors/windows to the sports centre, no alarms, no cctv, no lockers etc etc because you can't be bothered to afford them?! Those types of things protect the building from unwanted intruders, just as a barrier system for the car park would.

To put it simply, either you do something to prevent people parking where you don't want them, or put up with it. If you're currently putting up with it, chances are it's not all that bad as you make out, noone is left without a space who needs one and people are making mountains out of molehills (like the idiots who think they own the public highway directly outside their house).

taffy056

The problem with clampers is a vast majority of them are scum , they are there to extort money from you, they use illegal tactics and they are being banned because their abuse is FAR worse than simple parking abuse, there are many ways to ensure parking for customers only, they've been doing it in scotland for 20 years!

No matter which way you argue this, the clamping scum are going, that is very good thing, The current government are correct in doing this, let me remind you again 250 clamping firms in england and wales, every single one of them use or has used extortion to get money, some of them have been jailed for getting money with menaces, is that worth a parking space ?

lucylucky

bandwagon wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]I can't believe most of the posts on here. Everyone loves a freebie but people that just decide to park where they like are as bad as the "thieving scum" clampers. I help manage a sports ground (all run voluntarily) and as we are close to the town centre we have always had a problem with people abusing our car park. How is it abused?
It's not as simple as putting a barrier or lockable posts up as some people on here suggest. Why not? The car park has to be open all day in order for people to either use the sports facilities (this would include visiting sports people - so impractical to have a swipe card) and also for parents dropping off/ picking up for the nursery school. How is it impractical to have a swipe card?
We also rent out a number of our spaces to provide an income that helps provide important funds to pay for the upkeep of the facility, which is, after all, for the benefit of the community. There's no real difference between parking in a space that someone has paid to rent, than to just parking on their drive. Those that hire your spaces could have swipe card
To anyone who suggests that some sort of complex barrier arrangement is the answer a simple barrier is being suggested not a complex one obviously doesn't understand how much these things cost. We are a sporting facility and should be spending our money on sporting facilities rather than systems to prevent dishonest !!!!!!!!!!s parking where they shouldn't We aren't a profit making "business" so why should we have to incur such expenses? You are making money from people who park in your ground so some of that profit could go towards providing a system to ensure abusers don't stray onto your land.

We took the decision to start clamping a few years ago as a last resort, and although in practice very few people actually get clamped, it has proved an effective deterrent. Release fees aren't extortionate at around £90 when you consider it is £10 per day to park in the town anyway. £90 not extortionate? you jest.
To ban the use of clamping on the basis of a relatively small number of rogue operators is akin to banning all drivers because there are a minority of nutcases on our roads causing carnage and death. Surely a better solution is to legislate for a maximum release fee? No, surely it would be better if people found a way of regulating access to their private ground/parking area.
Without any enforceable deterrent, will we just end up with "whoops, your car seems to have been hit by a cricket / golf ball - all cars are parked at owners risk, did you notice the sign?"[/FONT]

With a bit of effort and some creative thinking I am sure you can come up with a way to solve your parking issues.