MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

trisontana

liam8282 wrote: »

What does what somebody chooses to wear have anything to do with this?

It cannot be compared in anyway.

Something similar would be, if you made a rule that if somebody came round to your house and took your black shirt and wore it, without your permission, you would demand £50 off them, that would be somewhere closer to parking on private property without permission.

The difference being that if somebody takes my shirt, that is theft and I have suffered an actual material loss. Just by parking in a "wrong" part of the car-park the landowner has not suffered any loss . This is the only claim that can be made under contract or trespass civil law.

liam8282

anewman wrote: »

If you can afford to own land then you can afford one of these http://www.bollards.co.uk/products/haslington_collapsible_parking_post.php and a whole lot more to get a professional to fit it. And if you want to spend a little more you can even get a remote control type bollard/barrier installed.

So every person that runs a business and has parking spaces can afford bollards, a professional to fit it, remote control bollards and barrier systems?

You haven't read the thread before commenting either have you?

What about the person who runs a small business, what about the person who rents their premises and parking spaces?

You haven't thought before posting have you?

If somebody could give a sensible answer, I would be happy to acknowledge it.

Not just an answer that fits one specific argument.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

Don't forget that the ban on clamping has been in force in Scotland for twenty years, and parking chaos has not broken out north of the border.

Yes but I live in England, so what goes on in Scotland is not really my concern.

Did you know that in America you have the right to bear arms? America isn't such a bad place to live as well you know.

trisontana

liam8282 wrote: »

Yes but I live in England, so what goes on in Scotland is not really my concern.

Did you know that in America you have the right to bear arms? America isn't such a bad place to live as well you know.

Scotland should be your concern because it shows that a clamping ban can be put into place without the end of civilization as we know it.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

The difference being that if somebody takes my shirt, that is theft and I have suffered an actual material loss. Just by parking in a "wrong" part of the car-park the landowner has not suffered any loss . This is the only claim that can be made under contract or trespass civil law.

So a small business that has say only 10 parking spaces, and 5 of these are being abused by people who are not using that business are not suffering?

Customers cannot park at the business and therefore cannot use it, loss of trade, the small business is suffering an actual material loss. This loss could be accumulated daily.

If this small business is paying for these parking spaces, either by the fact that they own or rent the land, and other people are just abusing that because nothing can be done about it, IMO something needs to be able to done about these people.

It should be the people parking in the wrong place who are blamed first, not those who are trying to run businesses or protect their own property.

ripped_off_driver

Was there a parking problem on private land before clamping vermin moved in some years ago? No. Will there be one now that these lowlife scumbags have been given their marching orders? No. Any landowner who thinks he has a problem will install a a barrier system. If he does not then clearly the problem is not that big a problem at all.

C;lampng was banned in Jersey last year. Has there been a problem with unauthorised parking there? No. That's even leaving aside the Scottish example which shows that clamping was a solution in search of a problem.

In any event clamping was hardly a solution to unauthorised parking. All it did was keep the "offending" vehicle in its position. But most fair minded people will realise that clamping was nothing to do with parking mangement in the first place, just a scam for anti-social thicko parasites to live off the backs of their hard working fellow man.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

Scotland should be your concern because it shows that a clamping ban can be put into place without the end of civilization as we know it.

I have missed something, has civilization just begun now that they are banning clamping in England?

I don't think that the country has suddenly sprung into life because of a clamping ban.

trisontana

liam8282 wrote: »

I have missed something, has civilization just begun now that they are banning clamping in England?

I don't think that the country has suddenly sprung into life because of a clamping ban.

It's you who are implying that the end of private clamping will lead to chaos in England. I am saying that this did not happen when the ban was introduced in Scotland twenty years ago. You are twisting my words.

liam8282

ripped_off_driver wrote: »

Was there a parking problem on private land before clamping vermin moved in some years ago? No. Will there be one now that these lowlife scumbags have been given their marching orders? No. Any landowner who thinks he has a problem will install a a barrier system. If he does not then clearly the problem is not that big a problem at all.

In any event clamping was hardly a solution to unauthorised parking. All it did was keep the "offending" vehicle in its position. But most fair minded people will realise that clamping was nothing to do with parking mangement in the first place, just a scam for anti-social thicko parasites to live off the backs of their hard working fellow man.

Why does everybody seem to think that everybody with a business car park or a piece of land can afford to set up and run a barrier system?

Are all business now multi million pound empires, with acres of land?

taffy056

Great the clamping scum are being outlawed, its been a long time in coming.

As for parking in private car parks, use a bollard or barrier, ensure people get a ticket on the way in, and pay to leave, or if in a supermarket et al, get their ticket endorsed at the till when money has been spent, if a bollard/barrier system is not suitable a length of chain between 2 posts would be enough, any landowner can afford spending a few quid to do that.