MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

trisontana

What's so special about P&C spaces? You might as well have spaces for anyone called Kevin, or for somebody who drives a red car. As I said above, they are just a marketing gimmick. If you take your argument to its logical conclusion why not "fine" anyone who uses those special trolleys that can carry a baby when they don't have a baby with them.

trisontana

liam8282 wrote: »

Has anybody managed to answer my original question yet?

Fair enough, but what is going to be done about all of those that park without permission on private land?

You secure the land with a barrier or bollards. Just as you secure a building by having doors and windows.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

What's so special about P&C spaces? You might as well have spaces for anyone called Kevin, or for somebody who drives a red car. As I said above, they are just a marketing gimmick. If you take your argument to its logical conclusion why not "fine" anyone who uses those special trolleys that can carry a baby when they don't have a baby with them.

On the same note, what is so special about a disabled space, what is so special about a Doctor or Ambulance space?

It is private land, none of these spaces are enforceable so why not park wherever you like?

I guess if you have no respect or courtesy for other peoples private property, there is no point in trying to explain having a bit of respect for a parent with a child, or a disabled person.....

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

You secure the land with a barrier or bollards. Just as you secure a building by having doors and windows.

Are you being serious, this has been disregarded several times.

What if you have a car park that needs to be accessable, by say staff or customers, how can you possibly put bollards or barriers up?

I am open to discussion on this, I await your response.

But please go back and read the points that have already been made, so as to avoid more repetition on the thread.

trisontana

Disabled spaces (as opposed to Blue Badge spaces) have to be provided by law under the DDA, and you will find that everyone on here will say not to abuse them. What people object to is the stupid penalties demanded by PPCs if you break their rules. As for P&C spaces. Just marketing gimmicks, nothing more.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

Disabled spaces (as opposed to Blue Badge spaces) have to be provided by law under the DDA, and you will find that everyone on here will say not to abuse them. What people object to is the stupid penalties demanded by PPCs if you break their rules. As for P&C spaces. Just marketing gimmicks, nothing more.

So we should just pick and choose the things / rules we like and just follow those rules.

The others we don't like, just break if we want to because they are unenforceable. I am starting to get the thread now.

trisontana

liam8282 wrote: »

So we should just pick and choose the things / rules we like and just follow those rules.

The others we don't like, just break if we want to because they are unenforceable. I am starting to get the thread now.

Yes, when the rules are unenforceable. I could make a rule that says that every time I see somebody wearing a black shirt I shall demand £50 off them.

anewman

liam8282 wrote: »

Fair enough, but what is going to be done about all of those that park without permission on private land?

If you can afford to own land then you can afford one of these http://www.bollards.co.uk/products/haslington_collapsible_parking_post.php and a whole lot more to get a professional to fit it. And if you want to spend a little more you can even get a remote control type bollard/barrier installed.

liam8282 wrote: »

What if you have a car park that needs to be accessable, by say staff or customers, how can you possibly put bollards or barriers up?

Are people too lazy to stop their engine, get off their bums, and use a key these days?

Or if it needs to be accessible and it is crucial to the land owner the land is not used by anyone unauthorised to do so then you buy one of these systems where you get given a ticket as you drive in and the barrier automatically lifts, then you pay at a machine later in order to get your ticket sorted so you can leave.



Again if you can afford to own land (particularly one for the use of customers who bring in lots of money), and the need for one of these systems is critical, then you can afford one - in fact the revenue from such a system would no doubt pay for it.

trisontana

Don't forget that the ban on clamping has been in force in Scotland for twenty years, and parking chaos has not broken out north of the border.

liam8282

trisontana wrote: »

Yes, when the rules are unenforceable. I could make a rule that says that every time I see somebody wearing a black shirt I shall demand £50 off them.

What does what somebody chooses to wear have anything to do with this?

It cannot be compared in anyway.

Something similar would be, if you made a rule that if somebody came round to your house and took your black shirt and wore it, without your permission, you would demand £50 off them, that would be somewhere closer to parking on private property without permission.