ive resigned from work

trickytrolleys

for each one you want to quote select the two 'bubble' button (pink & orange) then press 'reply' at the bottom of the page - there may be another way but thats how i do it

DVardysShadow

SarEl wrote: »

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And I would be grateful if you could explain how to make the nultiple quote thing work!

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As trickytrolleys says. If you are going across multiple threads, you can't do quotes the quick way, althouh with a tabbed browser you can capture a post, go for a quoted reply and copy and paste. But for other threads it is usually best to summarise and then link to the thread.

SarEl

DVardysShadow wrote: »

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As trickytrolleys says. If you are going across multiple threads, you can't do quotes the quick way, althouh with a tabbed browser you can capture a post, go for a quoted reply and copy and paste. But for other threads it is usually best to summarise and then link to the thread.

Ah - you mean manual labour!

bigmacman

SarEl wrote: »

Oh - you think? Really? Wrong. Oh yes I have been a victim of crime. Sorry statement on these days - who hasn't? Despite that - if you were to give the Howard League (for Penal Reform) a ring and give them a few basic details you have garnered about me from this site - it will take them less than 3 minutes to work out who I am. The same goes for Prisoners Abroad. Add to that the fact that I am an indepndant inspector of prisons (including young offenders institutions and immigration detention centres) and I do this in my "spare time".

You may have noticed -not my area of law. This is a commitment over many years. Oh, should I add that each year my practice ( which is a small employer - less than 10 permanant employees) takes an offender (not an ex- offender) for a one year work experience (with pay) to give them a chance - how many legal practices do you think do that? How many do you think are prepared to have the argument with their professsional body to allow it?

So you want the truth? I have nothing at all against the vast majority of convicted criminals. And I will lay bets that I know a lot more than you do. Some of whom are serving life sentences and are actually really not very nice people - although that doesn't include all people serbving life sentences.

So what do I have against the OP. Here it is. Well for a start off, I did not pass any judgement him in my original post. He had lost his job due to his own dishonesty (fact) and his "incapacity to work" was a direct result of his own actions (fact). No opinon - fact. On this basis I could see no way that the benefits agency would see this as anything other than a "voluntary" unemployment (also fact). Because the OP did not like this, he chose to have a go at me for this opinion. He may not have liked it, but it was all fact.

And then some peope come along and think that because you say something hard (not harsh) then you don't understand.

So let's have a good look at our "reformed character". He was dismissed in December, I believe, for a sustained theft from his employer. The employer found out - so he didn't have a "Road to Damascus" and realise what he did wrong and own up - and sacked him for gross misconduct and the employer called the police in. But heh, he immediately had his Road to Damascus and realised that he was an addict , had done wrong, and needed to put his applecart in order. Great.

Only - a month later he is on this site trying to get advice on how to lie to potential new employers about what he "didn't do" by claiming that he may have been "travelling" for the odd five or six years! Check out his history - it's all in the threads! But ok, maybe his "Road to Damascus" was a little later than that.

Two months ago he was on the threads again - check it out. He'd decided to becaome a student, and wanted to know if he could get a student loan. Not because he needed one (he lives off his parents - he says) but because he owes money on loans and he thought that maybe he could get a student loan (which won't be due to be paid off for years - in his words) for being a student, and then use it to pay off other debts he has. Now what is the word I am looking for? Begins with F. Taking money for one legitimate purpose, but using it for something else entirely. Oh yes - fraud. But maybe he hadn't had his "Road to Damascus" yet. Fair enough.

He was bloody lucky not to be sent to jail last Thursday. I really wouldn't recommend jail. And I have been in more than the OP has and probably more than you have - although unlike you I do not make assumptions based on not a shred of evidence, so maybe that isn't true. But as I stated before - it takes more than a few months ( or a few days) to be "rehabilitated". The OP stole money from his previous employer and was only "found out" seven months ago, and since then he has on this site demonstrated a willingness to continue to be dishonest. Have you any idea how many people "do the right thing" like 'fess up after the event, and do some voluntary work, to avoid being held fully reponsible for what they have done - and then go on to do it again?

There are people on this site who have ended up out of work and unable to claim benefits - or narrowly getting benefits - due to dishonest employers. More who are getting close to that. They deserve sympathy. Have a look at someone like Boopops - sacked for gross misconduct on trumped up charges because she was off sick too long. Did she lie to potential employers - no. Did she have an easy time of it - no. Did she get a job and show what she was made of - yes. Do I expect something more of the OP than conveniently forgetting that he has continued to at least think about continuing to be dishonest (and in some instances has been dishonest) - well if he wants to be considered a "changed person", then yes I do. Do I expect to see this "changed person" for more than a few weeks - well yes, I do.

But unlike you, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I have no idea why it was a daft and impossible suggestion to say that if you were so convinced, you should let him know what vacancies were going at your workplace. So here's the thing. Our curent "placement" has nine more months on contract with us. If the OP would like to PM me then at the end of that placement I will personally contact his probation officer and make an offer of 12 months work experience, on a fair wage, provided he has stayed out of trouble in the interim.

I will not guarantee that nobody is going to make reference to his "background", and I can positively guarantee that nobody will be accepting any excuses for it. And I can absolutely guarantee that nobody will be in the least bit ready to sit back and accept any further dishonesty. It won't be glamourous. It won't always be a bundle of laughs. And not a single excuse is will be accepted. But if the OP wants to take this up the offer is there, and not a single one of our "success stories" (and I admit - we have failures) has ever failed to go on to full and meaningful employment.

There's a lot of crap around aboit "rehabilitating" criminals. It's cute sitting around on the edges and telling people what they ant to hear, or "forgiving them" 15 years on. It is a damned sight harder doing it when you are taking risks - and the OP is a risk. He is living off "mummy and daddy", he'd prefer not to own up to what he has done unless he has to to, and he'd think about a "wide chance" if it pays him. Not even close.

to be honest i really cant be bothered to read this post as i wont find it one bit informative.

Yes im 22 and live with my parents by i have not asked for 1 penny off my parents as im a adult and learn from my mistakes the hard way.If you really know me and the ins and outs be my guest to criticise me me but you dont so go moan elsewear as i personally dont want read your nasty once a criminal always a criminal comments.

SarEl

bigmacman wrote: »

to be honest i really cant be bothered to read this post as i wont find it one bit informative.

Yes im 22 and live with my parents by i have not asked for 1 penny off my parents as im a adult and learn from my mistakes the hard way.If you really know me and the ins and outs be my guest to criticise me me but you dont so go moan elsewear as i personally dont want read your nasty once a criminal always a criminal comments.

I did not and have never said that. And you read the post, because you knew what I said. Your other posts are public record (unless you dlelete them) - right click on your user name and then it displays an option to read previous posts. You can't be bothered because you don't like facts. Stop protesting and do something. I made you an offer - take it.

DVardysShadow

bigmacman wrote: »

to be honest i really cant be bothered to read this post as i wont find it one bit informative.

Yes im 22 and live with my parents by i have not asked for 1 penny off my parents as im a adult and learn from my mistakes the hard way.If you really know me and the ins and outs be my guest to criticise me me but you dont so go moan elsewear as i personally dont want read your nasty once a criminal always a criminal comments.

OK, bigmacman, time for an important life lesson.

I have stuck up for you here, But now SarEl has provided more information, it looks like you are playing fast and loose with the truth, in that there is a lot more of what you have been working through on these forums than I realised.

It ain't pleasant when you stick up for someone to find that you are mistaken and there is a whole lot of stuff you didn't know about. Only let people stick up for you once you are sure they know all of the relevant facts.

And where you are right now, you cannot afford to let people down who are prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.

trickytrolleys

I'll do the 12 month placement Sar-El

Savvy_Sue

bigmacman wrote: »

to be honest i really cant be bothered to read this post as i wont find it one bit informative.

Yes im 22 and live with my parents by i have not asked for 1 penny off my parents as im a adult and learn from my mistakes the hard way.If you really know me and the ins and outs be my guest to criticise me me but you dont so go moan elsewear as i personally dont want read your nasty once a criminal always a criminal comments.

Shame, because there was a work placement offer in there, and if you accepted, and completed the placement, you'd be better placed than many people WITHOUT a criminal record to get a decent job, I'd have thought!

emmaanddave

Was it just theft you were tagged for cos that is a bit extreme for a petty theft? I have not known anyone to be tagged for just one offence of theft.

All employers have to give a reference but they will prob just stick to the basic questions asked and give brief answers.

Uncertain

emmaanddave wrote: »

All employers have to give a reference .......

No they don't!

Despite the best efforts of the last government, it is still a (reasonably) free country.

There is no obligation whatsoever to respond to a reference request if you don't want to.