ive resigned from work

Googlewhacker

A_nice_fellow wrote: »

Oh look another 12-step cult member.

You know 12-step has no scientific evidence supporting it at all, right?

Dunno if you've taken smack but I've taken it !!!! loads of times. It's unbelievably fantastic. Yet, don't crave it at all. But if I'm offered it, I'm right up for it.

By your criteria that means I'm an addict for life. By mine it just means I like drugs. But your view has no particular legitimacy over mine.

If you don't crave it you are not an addict, plenty of people can drink, gamble, smoke, take drugs etc loads of times in their life but if you don't have that urge for that extra 'fix' then you are fine about.

You've just talked aload of rubbish because the person I was on about was talking about an addiction....you are not, there is a differance!

To say it has 'NO' scientific evidence is bound to be wrong as there is bound to be some somewhere, there is bound to be some scientific reason as to why people are able to abstain from their addictions for large periods of times and why if they did their addiction again that they would fall back into the bad times.

eschaton

What a thread....

I have no sympathy for OP as I have had people steal from me in work situations and they get what they get.

But the guy is obviously trying to turn his life round so deserves a bit of credit for that. He came on here for advice which I know nothing about but would say either give him the advice he is looking for or leave him alone.

The sentence suggests previous form or either a large theft so that leads to no sympathy or respect but again if he turns his life round and learns from the mistake he did make then good luck to him.

As advice, be honest with future employers and voluntary work will help. I wouldn't employ someone such as yourself but there will be others that will.

Rockporkchop

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

I would like to know what the OP done to get such a harsh punishment, you don't get 200 hours community service, a 12 month suspended sentence and a tagging order for stealing a few quid out a till :cool:

It must have been something serious or not a first offense, something tells me its the latter

I remember from the OP's other thread that his crime was stealing money from his ex-employer over a period of 1.5 years to fund his long term gambling habit. The thread got pretty heated back then too.

bigmacman

Emmzi wrote: »

oh macman, I'm so sorry. especially when you have been trying so hard to make things better!

Besst to ask at the job centre if your claim would be sanctioned for a period of some weeks.

I would also investigate if the tagging times can be changed.

Good luck, keen to lewarn how you get on. I hope the volunteering is still going well?

the only problem with changing times on my tagging would be it have to be changed weekly as its shift work not set hours. Im gona ring the jobcentre tommorow see what they say i think.

another thing i got a letter from the job centre sayin i was overpaid in jobseekers between the 17/4 unit 28/4. thati have to pay 80 pounds back but i neva officially started until the 24th or the 1st may. even my contract says i officailly start the particular date how do i go about appealing this.

i love the the volunteering had training on thursday after court and was brilliant i do 2 voluntary jobs now and enjoy the rewards you get from them both.

Emmzi

CAB may be the best place to help with appeals, I think.

Savvy_Sue

bigmacman wrote: »

found this new job b4 i was charged by police and was advised by a charity company to tell them after the court hearing.

Obviously I don't know who gave you this advice: unless you were pleading not guilty and there was a chance of getting off?

However, probably the best people to advise you on how to disclose in future are NACRO.

SarEl

DVardysShadow wrote: »

My thought too. Like being a victim of some crime and taking it out on our OP.

Oh - you think? Really? Wrong. Oh yes I have been a victim of crime. Sorry statement on these days - who hasn't? Despite that - if you were to give the Howard League (for Penal Reform) a ring and give them a few basic details you have garnered about me from this site - it will take them less than 3 minutes to work out who I am. The same goes for Prisoners Abroad. Add to that the fact that I am an indepndant inspector of prisons (including young offenders institutions and immigration detention centres) and I do this in my "spare time".

You may have noticed -not my area of law. This is a commitment over many years. Oh, should I add that each year my practice ( which is a small employer - less than 10 permanant employees) takes an offender (not an ex- offender) for a one year work experience (with pay) to give them a chance - how many legal practices do you think do that? How many do you think are prepared to have the argument with their professsional body to allow it?

So you want the truth? I have nothing at all against the vast majority of convicted criminals. And I will lay bets that I know a lot more than you do. Some of whom are serving life sentences and are actually really not very nice people - although that doesn't include all people serbving life sentences.

So what do I have against the OP. Here it is. Well for a start off, I did not pass any judgement him in my original post. He had lost his job due to his own dishonesty (fact) and his "incapacity to work" was a direct result of his own actions (fact). No opinon - fact. On this basis I could see no way that the benefits agency would see this as anything other than a "voluntary" unemployment (also fact). Because the OP did not like this, he chose to have a go at me for this opinion. He may not have liked it, but it was all fact.

And then some peope come along and think that because you say something hard (not harsh) then you don't understand.

So let's have a good look at our "reformed character". He was dismissed in December, I believe, for a sustained theft from his employer. The employer found out - so he didn't have a "Road to Damascus" and realise what he did wrong and own up - and sacked him for gross misconduct and the employer called the police in. But heh, he immediately had his Road to Damascus and realised that he was an addict , had done wrong, and needed to put his applecart in order. Great.

Only - a month later he is on this site trying to get advice on how to lie to potential new employers about what he "didn't do" by claiming that he may have been "travelling" for the odd five or six years! Check out his history - it's all in the threads! But ok, maybe his "Road to Damascus" was a little later than that.

Two months ago he was on the threads again - check it out. He'd decided to becaome a student, and wanted to know if he could get a student loan. Not because he needed one (he lives off his parents - he says) but because he owes money on loans and he thought that maybe he could get a student loan (which won't be due to be paid off for years - in his words) for being a student, and then use it to pay off other debts he has. Now what is the word I am looking for? Begins with F. Taking money for one legitimate purpose, but using it for something else entirely. Oh yes - fraud. But maybe he hadn't had his "Road to Damascus" yet. Fair enough.

He was bloody lucky not to be sent to jail last Thursday. I really wouldn't recommend jail. And I have been in more than the OP has and probably more than you have - although unlike you I do not make assumptions based on not a shred of evidence, so maybe that isn't true. But as I stated before - it takes more than a few months ( or a few days) to be "rehabilitated". The OP stole money from his previous employer and was only "found out" seven months ago, and since then he has on this site demonstrated a willingness to continue to be dishonest. Have you any idea how many people "do the right thing" like 'fess up after the event, and do some voluntary work, to avoid being held fully reponsible for what they have done - and then go on to do it again?

There are people on this site who have ended up out of work and unable to claim benefits - or narrowly getting benefits - due to dishonest employers. More who are getting close to that. They deserve sympathy. Have a look at someone like Boopops - sacked for gross misconduct on trumped up charges because she was off sick too long. Did she lie to potential employers - no. Did she have an easy time of it - no. Did she get a job and show what she was made of - yes. Do I expect something more of the OP than conveniently forgetting that he has continued to at least think about continuing to be dishonest (and in some instances has been dishonest) - well if he wants to be considered a "changed person", then yes I do. Do I expect to see this "changed person" for more than a few weeks - well yes, I do.

But unlike you, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I have no idea why it was a daft and impossible suggestion to say that if you were so convinced, you should let him know what vacancies were going at your workplace. So here's the thing. Our curent "placement" has nine more months on contract with us. If the OP would like to PM me then at the end of that placement I will personally contact his probation officer and make an offer of 12 months work experience, on a fair wage, provided he has stayed out of trouble in the interim.

I will not guarantee that nobody is going to make reference to his "background", and I can positively guarantee that nobody will be accepting any excuses for it. And I can absolutely guarantee that nobody will be in the least bit ready to sit back and accept any further dishonesty. It won't be glamourous. It won't always be a bundle of laughs. And not a single excuse is will be accepted. But if the OP wants to take this up the offer is there, and not a single one of our "success stories" (and I admit - we have failures) has ever failed to go on to full and meaningful employment.

There's a lot of crap around aboit "rehabilitating" criminals. It's cute sitting around on the edges and telling people what they ant to hear, or "forgiving them" 15 years on. It is a damned sight harder doing it when you are taking risks - and the OP is a risk. He is living off "mummy and daddy", he'd prefer not to own up to what he has done unless he has to to, and he'd think about a "wide chance" if it pays him. Not even close.

DVardysShadow

SarEl wrote: »

Oh - you think? Really?

This is the problem when you go off on one on the basis of other threads from the same OP. Your argument and the conclusion you reach is based on info which is not obvious to the rest of us and you are not sharing. Sort of 2 cheers for not digging it up, but none for basing your opinion on the other threads and then arguing the case without referring to your evidence.

As for inviting the OP to apply for jobs at my workplace, I don't feel so inclined to be so forthcoming about my life away from here

trickytrolleys

sassy-one wrote: »

When you are arrested and charged with an offence, weather that offence results in a formal charge and a Caution or a formal charge and a court hearing and a gulity verdict, that information must be disclosed to any employer whom asks if you have ANY convictions as it could be considered as a conviction, even though a Caution may appear not to be.

By accepting a Police Caution, you are admitting the offence as to you are Cautioned with and therefore, by admitting that offence, you are guilty.

As regards turning your life around, people do.
Give the OP a break, least he has the balls to come on here and ask for advice and try and sort things out unlike most people!!

^^^^ THAT ! is the biggest load of cr4p I have EVER read on MSE and believe me, ive seen some sh!te ! :rotfl:

Agree with the last line though - good luck bigmac man !

SarEl

DVardysShadow wrote: »

This is the problem when you go off on one on the basis of other threads from the same OP. Your argument and the conclusion you reach is based on info which is not obvious to the rest of us and you are not sharing. Sort of 2 cheers for not digging it up, but none for basing your opinion on the other threads and then arguing the case without referring to your evidence.

As for inviting the OP to apply for jobs at my workplace, I don't feel so inclined to be so forthcoming about my life away from here

And I genuinely apologise but I am relatively new as you know. I've only been here a few weeks. I cannot figure out how to do multiple quotes yet (I tried and made a hash of it), but I did figure our very quickly how to check back on previous posts. Call it a lawyers occupational hazard - I like to double check my facts, and then some. I assumed that being an expert here you would have done the same thing - my mistake.

And I would be grateful if you could explain how to make the nultiple quote thing work!