Rant - Life on the dole must be luxury!

oldone_2

What is worrying is the emergence of a sub-culture, whereby an unemployed couple have children who see never working as the norm.They then have children very young -after all you have plenty of time on your hands when you do not have to go to work.
These children see their parents and grandparents have never worked and take this for normal, and have children very young who........

Morgan_Ree

MackemPunk wrote: »

How does the OP know these people were claiming and not just using the directgov website to look for more work?

He doesn't. Never let a little thing like the facts get in the way of a goog old benefit bash :cool:

OP quit your winging and advertise elsewhere for your £500-£700pw tradesman *cough cough* tranlsated to labourers on about £40 a day. Max!

geordieracer

oldone wrote: »

What is worrying is the emergence of a sub-culture, whereby an unemployed couple have children who see never working as the norm.They then have children very young -after all you have plenty of time on your hands when you do not have to go to work.
These children see their parents and grandparents have never worked and take this for normal, and have children very young who........

Well not anymore.. because after they have the first child and it gets to school age the mother has to go to work somewhere..

And the way the job centre are now pushing you to do anything is quite forceful.. Im dealing with it right now and dont want to go out and work for min wage but im going to have too.. There will soon by no escape from it.

C_Mababejive

Skilled tradesmen can always find work,be it on the black economy or elsewhere

mustangsal

villabadger wrote: »

As an aside, I always reply to an applicant - suitable or not. I little bit of courtesy costs nothing!

You must be one of a dying breed then! It's very rare to get a thanks but no thanks letter, email or phonecall now. It's disgusting!

Harry_Flashman

Nicklt wrote: »

i agree with pushing people into work but not forcing to people into any job going...... I would not tell someone with a masters degree to apply for a McDonalds job.

Why on earth not? If he can't find work he 'wants', he should take work he can get.

Before anyone starts, I spent a couple of months on the dole a couple of years back. I applied for dozens of jobs (many didn't bother to reply which is truly unforgiveable) and eventually got something - not as good as I had (lower pay, etc), but a job nontheless.

There ARE jobs out there. Yes, they may be crappy. Yes, they may be low paid. Yes, you may have to do something you'd rather not. But why the hell should the state support your idleness if you don't take whatever there is.

marleyboy

A lot of people will gladly take whatever work is available, anything to get off the dole. Many companies are offered subsidies for taking on people as part of a "government" work scheme. This puts potential employers in jeopardy, why take on anyone legitimately applying for "any old job", when you can get someone for 6 months via a scheme that means you dont have to pay them as much.

I agree there is a certain amount of idleness within the unemployed, but not everyone is screwing the system, there are as many desperate to take any job available that are still stuck in the benefit trap.

Indeed its far more easier to get a job whilst already being in a job, companies look bleakly at applicants who are currently labeled as "doleys", making the task that much more challenging for the unemployed, unless of course agreeing to go with some Back to Work scheme for 6 Months with nothing but an extra £10 a week on top of their benefits.

Its not impossible to find a job, but its also not easy.

villabadger

Coopdivi wrote: »

So let me get this right.

You won't advertise in a local paper because they are not good value for money even though you only need three or four lines which will cost you 15 to 20 quid worded something like 'buidings trades people wanted for imm. start,short term contract,excellent pay. Phone xxx'

You object to the Job Centre because the quality of applicant is so poor and they're all scroungers anyway.

Have you thought of using an agency? Oooh hang on they'll want a fee, so they'll be poor value for money even though you'll be paying people £££££££££.

It strikes me that an experienced employer in the building trade would have a pool of reliable craftsman to call upon who, even, if they weren't available for this particular job, would have contacts who could fill in at short notice to get the job up and running.

I would suggest in future that you improve your recruitment policies because you clearly don't have a clue at the moment. Employing people at 4 days notice is going to give you a lot of duds who'll just take the proverbial.

No, you haven't got it right but you clearly seem to know it all.

I've already explained why using a local paper wasn't appropriate in this instance.

Never once stated that the quality of applicant was poor - they all had the skills required which is why I wanted to offer them work.

Regarding agencies - get real! If you knew anything about site work then you would know that tradesmen hate using them as 'they' get ripped off by them not us. They will obviously take a percentage of their rate and usually mess the guys around by not paying promptly etc. I have used agencies for a different business and on occasions paid out thousands for the right person. Still, I suppose you know more about it than me!

You are correct about a pool of subbies - we have a great bunch of guys but when you have them all working what do you do? Get some more! What do you think I am doing?!

I'm glad you think I don't have a clue - thanks for your lesson in recruiting people. I feel that I've really learnt something from your valuable input. Again, if you had a clue....as a business, when you are offered extra work at short notice with tight deadlines do you: a) take the work and try to get the additional labour that you need or b) tell the contractor that we can't do it and risk loosing future contracts with that company? As a smart-!!!! I'm sure you would have all of the answers.

villabadger

geordieracer wrote: »

Yeah im having a great time on the dole for the first time in my life.. Cant find work at all in the industry i work in so now im taking the bit by the horns and having to go work for minimum wage which wont even cover me mortgage.

What an easy life it is on the dole..
Thanks for that you cretin

Cretin -eh? Nice, thank you!

Why don't you read what I've written instead of trawling down the road of personal attacks? At what point have I mentioned anything relevant to you? I was questioning the motives of people with specific skills who apply for work and then, when it is actually available, don't seem interested in taking it. I agree that I may have made assumptions that these individuals must be on the dole but surely when they contacted me for work doesn't it suggest that they need to earn money? When I offer them work and they don't want the opportunity to earn money (that they need) they must be getting it from somewhere?

lanavdt

Nicklt wrote: »

Benefits are there too support people when out of work not for people to live off, i agree with pushing people into work but not forcing to people into any job going...... I would not tell someone with a masters degree to apply for a McDonalds job.

What's wrong with taking a job in McDonalds? I was unemployed for 2 weeks about 5 years ago, applied like crazy for jobs in nursery nursing, couldn't find one that would cover my travelling costs etc (one offered me the grand sum of £1.50 an hour which was legal as they would've put me through my modern apprentice) and so I swallowed my pride and went to work at a McDonalds until I found a job that I wanted. It wasn't great but it wasn't awful either.

I feel that just because someone has a masters degree in something shouldn't make them automatically above doing certain jobs...