HGV's in lane 2. Grrrr...

somech

it seems courtesy is missing these days, good hgv drivers will wind back the cruise control slightly to allow the overtaking truck to pass quickly sadly though these truckers are few and far between.
as for banning trucks to lane 1 what a load of bollox they will all be doing 52mph stuck behind the soddin tesco trucks.
instead of condeming hgv drivers go and have a go in one and see things from their point of view

Dan_Gliballs

Froggitt wrote: »

Tell you what, pay £6,000 a year to go towards building an extra crawler lane on every motoway and you get to overtake. Until then, stop clagging up the motorways.

Like I said in my 1st post, the motorways were built for freight because everybody knows railfrieght is as good as useless, you should feel priviliged to be allowed on WITHOUT transporting goods :rotfl:

Dan_Gliballs

Froggitt wrote: »

Sure rev, but driving at 50 instead of 56 isnt going to have a huge impact on what time they arrive.

And anway, if they know their friends cant go into lane 2, they wont be anti-social and they will all travel at 56.

Not if its Tesco who think its safe to set their limiters to 52.
Mabye you are one of these people with a "I MUST be in front" attitude towards driving, will you slowing to 56 every now and again really make an impact on what time you arrive? And this "problem" hasn't happened overnight, so if it really winds you up so much leave a bit earlier for your journey - easier than comming up with ill-thought comments on a forum!

When when driving in some other countries (Germany for one) cars in general give way to trucks, joe public there seems to understand that without trucks [insert country name here] wont move!

Dan_Gliballs

Froggitt wrote: »

No more ridiculous than expecting a hundred or so cars to travel at the speed of two lorries side by side chugging up a hill, or expecting a hundred cars all to move over into lane 3.

Why not? They can easily accellerate and be on their merry way when its clear, but if it was a 10 lane motorway there still would be someone with the "my willys bigger than yours" mentality that just HAS to get past. Its these people that slow it down for everybody else. Try slowing it down to 60ish next time in rush hour, you'll find you don't get there any later because you are driving steady speeds - !!!!!! its even what the IAM teach, but I suppose with your big one you know best eh? :T

alastairq

Why is it that people expect other people to now how to drive everybody else's vehicles?

Or understand the problems?

A lorry driver must pass an appropriate test.

Therefore it is unreasonable for such a [skilled?] driver to expect others to have sympathy for the lorry drivers' problems.

The problems surrounding the driving of a lorry remain those of the driver concerned.

If said driver needs the assistance of other road users in order to achieve an aim, then it say's rather too much about that driver's skill level.

Regarding power outputs of US trucks.....in many western states [and Canada]....which have roads with long,steep grades over mountainous areas, a high minimum power output is specified [by law in some cases].....in order to help control the vehicle's weight going downgrade..ie via retarders, gears etc.

With regard to lorry speeds....consideration seems to be given these days., to fuel savings rather than time-keeping....although that plays a part.
Hence a reason for some companies setting lower speeds for their vehicles?

Tesco in particular have long had a stipulation that their drivers drive within speed limits...

Regarding the relatively low speed differentials, especially with lorries passing one another.....what is wrong with the present situation?

[apart from on motorways such as the M18, which has only 2 lanes for some of it's length]....

The driver of a car will have at least a 10mph speed advantage over the lorry...so why do such hold-ups occur when passing a lorry which is in lane two?

Patience is perhaps low on the list of driver skills these days......everybody's journey is considerably more important than anyone else's..

Perhaps the ordinary [car?] driver lacks the skills of forward planning and anticipation of others actions....to the extent that bottle-necks occur?

Certainly I see this lack displayed, whenever a driver vilifies those who dare to travel on motorways at lower speeds.....citing such action as 'dangerous'..or even [wait for it] inconsiderate?

When in reality, it isn't the slow vehicle being dangerous, but the lack of skill displayed by the large minority of other drivers who cannot cope with that slower vehicle.

Easier to pick on the one slow driver, than the several hundred other, incompetent drivers?

I'd say leave things as they are......and if a driver has problems with this issue, then look to how one's own driver skills can be improved, so that the situation becomes less of an issue?

If folk can be bothered, that is.........which I doubt.

Dan_Gliballs

alastairq wrote: »

Why is it that people expect other people to now how to drive everybody else's vehicles?

Or understand the problems?

A lorry driver must pass an appropriate test.

Therefore it is unreasonable for such a [skilled?] driver to expect others to have sympathy for the lorry drivers' problems.

The problems surrounding the driving of a lorry remain those of the driver concerned.

If said driver needs the assistance of other road users in order to achieve an aim, then it say's rather too much about that driver's skill level.

Regarding power outputs of US trucks.....in many western states [and Canada]....which have roads with long,steep grades over mountainous areas, a high minimum power output is specified [by law in some cases].....in order to help control the vehicle's weight going downgrade..ie via retarders, gears etc.

With regard to lorry speeds....consideration seems to be given these days., to fuel savings rather than time-keeping....although that plays a part.
Hence a reason for some companies setting lower speeds for their vehicles?

Tesco in particular have long had a stipulation that their drivers drive within speed limits...

Regarding the relatively low speed differentials, especially with lorries passing one another.....what is wrong with the present situation?

[apart from on motorways such as the M18, which has only 2 lanes for some of it's length]....

The driver of a car will have at least a 10mph speed advantage over the lorry...so why do such hold-ups occur when passing a lorry which is in lane two?

Patience is perhaps low on the list of driver skills these days......everybody's journey is considerably more important than anyone else's..

Perhaps the ordinary [car?] driver lacks the skills of forward planning and anticipation of others actions....to the extent that bottle-necks occur?

Certainly I see this lack displayed, whenever a driver vilifies those who dare to travel on motorways at lower speeds.....citing such action as 'dangerous'..or even [wait for it] inconsiderate?

When in reality, it isn't the slow vehicle being dangerous, but the lack of skill displayed by the large minority of other drivers who cannot cope with that slower vehicle.

Easier to pick on the one slow driver, than the several hundred other, incompetent drivers?

I'd say leave things as they are......and if a driver has problems with this issue, then look to how one's own driver skills can be improved, so that the situation becomes less of an issue?

If folk can be bothered, that is.........which I doubt.

While I agree with everything you've said, the part I've highlighted I don't. When I'm at work driving a lorry (albeit a 18t rigid) through small towns/villages, and city centers (believe me I don't go to tight places for fun) we do need help from other road users. Picture a crossroads with traffic lights, left lane is left turn only but for me to make it I have to use both lanes, and the many times impatiant car drivers sneak up the inside thinking "I'll get through before he turns" or in a city center where I have to reverse into a side street. You have the hazzards, reverse lights, reversing beeper and your broadside across the whole road but still people will try and get round you on the footpath slowing me up from doing my manouver and getting out of everybodys way - and will curse me for being there!

But the best has to be small villages where people will acually park their cars at junctions with the sole purpose to block lorries because they don't want trucks in their quaint little village. Forget the farms the need deliveries/collections or god forbid a fire engine would need down.

A bit off topic that rant but it gets to me just how selfish Joe NIMBY Public is these days.

cyclonebri1

Dan_Gliballs wrote: »

While I agree with everything you've said, the part I've highlighted I don't. When I'm at work driving a lorry (albeit a 18t rigid) through small towns/villages, and city centers (believe me I don't go to tight places for fun) we do need help from other road users. Picture a crossroads with traffic lights, left lane is left turn only but for me to make it I have to use both lanes, and the many times impatiant car drivers sneak up the inside thinking "I'll get through before he turns" or in a city center where I have to reverse into a side street. You have the hazzards, reverse lights, reversing beeper and your broadside across the whole road but still people will try and get round you on the footpath slowing me up from doing my manouver and getting out of everybodys way - and will curse me for being there!

But the best has to be small villages where people will acually park their cars at junctions with the sole purpose to block lorries because they don't want trucks in their quaint little village. Forget the farms the need deliveries/collections or god forbid a fire engine would need down.

A bit off topic that rant but it gets to me just how selfish Joe NIMBY Public is these days.

:T:T:T:T:T

Selfish is the only way to describe the attide of the "light weight" motorists.


I cannot under stand how so many people have spoken out against HGV's, never been in one but I do know there journey is more important than mine, in the long run. :(:(:(:(:(:(

Froggitt

Noone is against HGVs, or the importance of their journey, however its preferable for most people to have HGV journeys take five minutes or so longer, in return for more free-running motorways.

Quinny_2

Froggitt wrote: »

The way to keep the roads moving is to limit HGVs to the inside lane. If theyre all doing 56mph, theres no need for them to be overtaking. If theres a hill, theyre all going to slow down a bit.

If only they were all limited to 56, your theory might be ok, however as an agency driver, one of our customers have their's limited to 52 and some are limited to 50 which because I'm paid by the hour, I don't give 2 !!!!s.

Dan_Gliballs

Froggitt wrote: »

Noone is against HGVs, or the importance of their journey, however its preferable for most people to have HGV journeys take five minutes or so longer, in return for more free-running motorways.

If car drivers would keep distance, indicate, use lane dicipline, plan ahead (really the basics of driving) then the motorway network would be very free flowing indeed.