Indicators

tomstickland

Apples2 wrote: »

I don't think you grasped the point I was making about a mini roundabout, Maybe I assume too much, I thought your point was kind of obvious and has no relation to my post!

Are you suggesting on approaching this mini roundabout from the bottom of the screen, you would indicate left to go straight on (like so many other I see)???

It is simply crazy people here indicate their intention NOT to turn right.

I entirely grasped what you were describing.

On approaching the roundabout I would not indicate at all, but once I was on the roundabout I would indicate left to signal my intention of pulling off at the next exit.

cyclonebri1

Deleted_User wrote: »

I can rant every day about people not using their indicators. Using them just comes natural to me as that was the way I was taught.

What also gets me is people who indicate to change lanes on dual carriageways but instead of immediately moving out to change lane, they sit there for five minutes with their indicator on. Also people who indicate on traffic light controlled multi-lane roundabouts where each lane goes in a different exit. As you have no idea if they are indicating to change lane or not.

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Yes Lee but don't forget that indicating is not a right to pull out on someone without giving way. Far better to indicate early, ensure the car behing realises your intentions and then manoever when it's clear there is no danger.

[Deleted User]

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Yes Lee but don't forget that indicating is not a right to pull out on someone without giving way. Far better to indicate early, ensure the car behing realises your intentions and then manoever when it's clear there is no danger.

Not what I was taught by a grade 6 instructor. You do your checks first then indicate and move out. Not the other way round. If there was already a car approaching you in the second lane you would wait for them to pass you before doing this all of this.

If I was in the 2nd lane overtaking a group of slow cars then one suddenly pops their indicator on they would course me to brake as I wouldn't know if they were to suddenly pull out in front of me.

CHR15

tomstickland wrote: »

I entirely grasped what you were describing.

On approaching the roundabout I would not indicate at all, but once I was on the roundabout I would indicate left to signal my intention of pulling off at the next exit.

That's ridiculous!

This is a mini roundabout, they way you describe your actions, your indicator would only flash a maximum on ONCE before you were off the exit, may not even flash the once before exiting as you describe.

You are describing a proper roundabout, with floral displays and signposts, not a mini roundabout.

The road in the picture is simply a straight road with a splodge of paint dobbed on retrospectively to help people turn right.

I agree with the above, you are indicating your intention NOT to turn, when there is absolutely no need for it.

When I see drivers do similar to that in front/behind me, I always keep one eye on the car in case it does something (else) daft.

cyclonebri1

Deleted_User wrote: »

Not what I was taught by a grade 6 instructor. You do your checks first then indicate and move out. Not the other way round. If there was already a car approaching you in the second lane you would wait for them to pass you before doing this all of this.

If I was in the 2nd lane overtaking a group of slow cars then one suddenly pops their indicator on they would course me to brake as I wouldn't know if they were to suddenly pull out in front of me.

What you are taught and what you have to do in reality are two very different thing. You learn to drive when you have passed you test.

On todays roads, be it a A road dual carriageway or a motorway, there is almost always someone coming up faster behind you. You would never leave lane 1 or when you did, never return to it, (middle lane hoggers),by driving how you describe.

The idea is not to suddenly put your indicator on, but to do it at an appropriate time to allow the other car to pass or give way the 1mph speed advantage he may have over you. I'm not for a second suggesting you dou it with a small gap and a huge speed differential.;)

Gloomendoom

CHR15 wrote: »

I agree with the above, you are indicating your intention NOT to turn, when there is absolutely no need for it.

When I see drivers do similar to that in front/behind me, I always keep one eye on the car in case it does something (else) daft.

I disagree, you are on the roundabout and you ARE going to turn. There is no way that you can leave a roundabout without turning off it.

If I was in a car waiting on the opposite side of the roundabout, I would be watching for that one blink so that I would know that you intended to turn off the roundabout before you reached me. How fast do you approach these roundabouts?

If there are no other road users present, fair enough, don't indicate, but otherwise why not follow the Highway Code?

CHR15

Gloomendoom wrote: »

If there are no other road users present, fair enough, don't indicate, but otherwise why not follow the Highway Code?

You're describing a full blown roundabout, of which I have no different opinion than yours.

We are talking here about a straight road with a splodge of paint.ergo, a mini roundabout.

For your indicator to mean anything productive, you would have to stop on the roundabout to allow the oncoming cars to see what you intend doing....

or you could simply carry on driving along the straight road, and indicate right if you intend turning right.

There are hundreds of mini roundabouts where I live, to think everyone has to indicate to let people know they are not turning right is quite frankly ridiculous.

Can you differentiate a roundabout and a mini roundabout???

If so, surely you are not telling me you have your indicators on at some point EVERY time you cross any mini roundabout!!


The picture above show a "quite big" mini roundabout, but generally mini roundabouts are simply splodged on the road at busy T-Junctions to allow whoever gets there first have right of way.

I still shake my head to think so many people indicate every time they go across a mini roundabout...

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Gloomendoom

CHR15 wrote: »

Can you differentiate a roundabout and a mini roundabout???

I can. However, the Highway Code does not...

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Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal.

It even warns that there is less time to signal.

If so, surely you are not telling me you have your indicators on at some point EVERY time you cross any mini roundabout!!

If I think doing so will benefit another road user, yes.

DaveF327

Gloomendoom wrote: »

The example above is the first exit to the left. So you should signal.

The example above is the first exit, but it is most certainly not left; it is ahead. What actually changed in the current highway code edition is the specification of left. Although the highway code cannot possibly cover every permutation of roundabout with all its variances, it gives general advice that should be interpreted by common sense.

Take away the roundabout for a moment and imagine traffic lights there at that junction in the photograph. Would you signal left there to go in a straight line? If a car approached any junction or crossroads with no indicator at all, would that not be a general indication (no pun intended) that his intention is to drive ahead? After all, the following Highway Code page gives advice on the correct use of indicator signals.

skiddlydiddly

Gloomedoom is hitting the nail on the head with:

"If I think doing so will benefit another road user, yes."

Assuming he is doing just that then is probably driving better than those who always indicate regardless and those that don't at all as it shows he is actually thinking about what he's doing rather than going through the motions..