Indicators

Apples2

tomstickland wrote: »

It's correct procedure once they've passed any other left turns.

I don't think you grasped the point I was making about a mini roundabout, Maybe I assume too much, I thought your point was kind of obvious and has no relation to my post!

Are you suggesting on approaching this mini roundabout from the bottom of the screen, you would indicate left to go straight on (like so many other I see)???

It is simply crazy people here indicate their intention NOT to turn right.

CHR15

^^ No I wouldn't indicate left there, seems daft. Not dangerous though, at least it makes you alert to the fact the driver shouldn't be trusted to make the right move later on (thinks newly passed drivers, doddery old fools and drunks trying too hard to look safe!!)

Gloomendoom

^^^^If there was a car waiting to enter the roundabout at the top I would very probably indicate left in that situation. That way the waiting driver would not have to sit there unnecessarily, wondering if I am going to turn right without indicating - as so many do.

angeltreats

Apples2 wrote: »

Are you suggesting on approaching this mini roundabout from the bottom of the screen, you would indicate left to go straight on (like so many other I see)???

My husband would. Sigh. I might show him this thread so he'll know I'm not just making it up when I tell him it's unnecessary/wrong.

Gloomendoom

Why is it wrong?

It is a roundabout and you should signal when leaving it.

From the highway code...

162. Signals and position, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

When taking the first exit

signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

164. Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuver and less time to signal. Beware of vehicles making U-turns.
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anewman

I've left my indicators on a few times on my new car as the noise the relay (tick) makes it less audible. Wiring the indicators up to the fuel warning buzzer has crossed my mind, but that would probably drive me bonkers, lol.

Worse is when someone flicks on their indicators them immediately proceeds to force themselves in front of you requiring some harsh braking.

At junctions like the one below, I now indicate right when coming from the bottom right to follow the road along. Yes the road does go round that way so you should not need to indicate, but that doesn't stop some people assuming you're going straight on and pulling straight out in front of you.

cyclonebri1

House_owner wrote: »

Sorry, feel the need for a bit of a rant!

I have noticed that less and less car drivers are using their indicators these days, especially on roundabouts, which makes life difficult when joining the roundabout.

Quite often even when they do use their indicators, they don't do what they are indicating.

Also, people don't turn their indicators off, which can be very confusing.

Ok rant over!

Yeah, you're right they don't , they do

It's called life stop whining and EXPECT it, sorry but true.

Anyone that thanked you for that is in a bubble,

No, I don't agree, and I don't accept, but I do know that inconsiderate folks are just that, whether motorists or not.

[Deleted User]

I can rant every day about people not using their indicators. Using them just comes natural to me as that was the way I was taught.

What also gets me is people who indicate to change lanes on dual carriageways but instead of immediately moving out to change lane, they sit there for five minutes with their indicator on. Also people who indicate on traffic light controlled multi-lane roundabouts where each lane goes in a different exit. As you have no idea if they are indicating to change lane or not.

:mad:

DaveF327

Gloomendoom wrote: »

Why is it wrong?

It is a roundabout and you should signal when leaving it.

From the highway code...

162. Signals and position, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

When taking the first exit

signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

164. Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuver and less time to signal. Beware of vehicles making U-turns.

Sorry to split hairs, but you're quoting from an obsolete edition of the highway code which was changed on account of its ambiguity.

The current version can be found here: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338 where the rule you're looking for is as follows:

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Signals and position.
When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

• signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
• keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

• signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
• keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
• signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

• select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
• you should not normally need to signal on approach

In addition, signals are only of use if another road user could benefit from it. If your speed and position is such that you cannot possibly be slowing to make a tight turn, then it's reasonable to predict you are going ahead. A car on your right wouldn't see your left signal anyway, so in the absence of a car waiting opposite, there is no need for a left "leaving" signal in the example of the photograph above. Even if you tried to give one to a car opposite, it would be so short, he'd miss it if he blinked, so let the speed and position be the active communicators here.

Gloomendoom

DaveF327 wrote: »

Sorry to split hairs, but you're quoting from an obsolete edition of the highway code which was changed on account of its ambiguity.

So what's changed? It still says...

Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

signal left and approach in the left-hand lane

to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

The example above is the first exit to the left. So you should signal.

you should not normally need to signal on approach

That bit specifically refers to intermediate exits off the roundabout, not when taking the first - as in the scenario above.