Kleeneeze or Betterware?

missterryshopper

JennyJewell wrote: »

just pleased and giving peeps an update and a look on the other side of the coin

Your be telling us next,that continually switching your opportunity is the Key To Success.

petestan

wongawonga wrote: »

Supposed to be the busiest time of the year in Kleeneze. So they waive delivery costs to help distributors.Something quite not right there.

Hi wongawonga, the reason for free delivery (over £150) is because all orders from now on will not be delivered before Xmas, and despite what Kleeneze would like us to do the reality is most distributors stop putting cat's out over Xmas, probably the vast majority don't start again until the New Year, hence why they put the competition on for distributors in the weeks covering Xmas and New Year to try and keep distributors putting orders in.
Officially it's only for 3 days in reality every year the promo is extended throughout Xmas to the New Year, we shall see if it is again this year.

JennyJewell

Hello
Just a couple of points:

I never said anyone can do it on foot - I do because I don't drive, I don't care about walking because I need the money.
66 are the most books I put out at one time - twice a week. I knock doors - from a customer's point of view it's less intrusive and more polite to actually ask if they would like a browse through my catalogue. From my point of view it saves me time and I build a better relationship with my customers - they see a person rather than just a catalogue chucked through their door.
You can buy kits still if you wish to but with the Break Free option, (free to start with 5 books as a taster), I don't see the point in spending out money when you can gain up to 500 books over 4 months for free dependent on your personal sales. Now I am no fortune teller so I couldn't tell you whether this will be an ongoing option but I certainly hope so because it gives everyone a fair chance - I certainly couldn't have re-joined had this option not been available.
Someone mentioned to stop this nonsense and protect people who are desperate - if you read my earlier posts you will notice this is exactly the reason I joined back with Kleeneze, I was completely desperate and I'm very glad I did, it has genuinely been a big help.
missterryshopper - I definitely wouldn't be telling people that switching opportunities is the key to success - that's probably the biggest mistake I have made over the years,lol! But you live and learn It took a few men to find the right husband too,lol! (Just a quick note here - I have been with my husband for 19 years and married once ) The only thing I would suggest is that if you find what you're looking for whether it's the right job, right business, right party planning opportunity, etc,etc and you're enjoying it, stick with it
Jen

JennyJewell

Hello again
Sorry I forgot to add something - someone mentioned about the 3-5 year plan. To be honest I have always been very badly organised - still am but getting better When I was a distributor with Kleeneze years ago I did actually get to a point where I was earning more per month than I am now. I left Kleeneze when I landed a job in my chosen occupation working as special needs support assistant. I absolutely love my job,it's extremely rewarding but the pay is pretty dire and as explained before I needed something extra and obviously you know the rest. My biggest dream is to teach - have wanted to do this since I was 4 years of age! If I can find a way to pay for the qualifications I need and earn the money I need to pay for half of our family's bills that will be fantastic If I am lucky enough to reach the age of 80 I would like to look back and be happy that I followed my dreams of having a family and following my passion to teach children - in particular those with special needs. Basically that is the 3-5 year plan I need to sort out
Jen

PatrickD

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

The thing is when people read stuff like that they think OH Kleeneze is OK but they need to take stories like that with a HUGE sack of salt. The idea it's free when in fact it's some short time special offer, or that *anyone* can do it on foot which is patently WRONG. The amount of hard up people suckered in by this - these kind of stories are all over facebook pages and they are for people to read and join kleeneze.

Put it this way - 200 books is over three full trollies worth , thats 200 unique addresses, then you'll need another 200 the next week and another the week after , by then you are miles from home. So lets stop this nonesense now and protect those who are desperate at the moment.

Now I know you'll come back with what you do with wikiano and selling to this heap of people just dying to pay over the odds for stuff who live right on your doorstep but kleeneze doesn't work like this at all. I know this business and I know the methods used to promote it.

No I'm not going to come back about another company on a Kleeneze thread, but I will say that even though I'm not a fan of the catalogue system, and don't do it myself, it does work IF you're prepared to put in the work. Jenny and others prove that.
I prefer to have a very small customer base - a few close friends and family - who, btw, love the products they use and they, nor I, do not think we are paying ''over the odds'' - and then spend my time finding others to do the same as me.

Pat

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

No I'm not going to come back about another company on a Kleeneze thread, but I will say that even though I'm not a fan of the catalogue system, and don't do it myself, it does work IF you're prepared to put in the work. Jenny and others prove that.
I prefer to have a very small customer base - a few close friends and family - who, btw, love the products they use and they, nor I, do not think we are paying ''over the odds'' - and then spend my time finding others to do the same as me.

Pat

***IF*** you are prepared to do the work? the inference is that those like me who spent 7 days a week shifting upto a 1000 books a week are somehow *NOT* working.

It's stories that get trotted out on here which make me reply - this bizarre idea that what I did for three years making on average just over £300 a month is not normal and this rather cutesy and frankly laughable idea that just walking round locally and getting a few orders makes it out that kleeneze *works*.

Well it doesn't - it's unsustainable for reasons already explained, you end up so far from home you'd need to walk for an hour to get to the areas, few people order every time so the round gets bigger and bigger. Now as each thing is pointed out the story changes just slightly, with just enough personal heartstring stuff to make criticism look like sour grapes. Well I say this - it doesn't wash , I was in kleeneze long enough and spoke to enough people making out I was as brainwashed as they were to know they will stop at NOTHING to try and throw good light on kleeneze in the face of a mountain and that includes trawling forums and chatrooms saying what ever they like. I will never believe a word that comes from anyone involved in kleeneze or any other snakeoil style MLMs.

Morethanconcerned

JennyJewell wrote: »

Hello
Just a couple of points:

I never said anyone can do it on foot - I do because I don't drive, I don't care about walking because I need the money.
66 are the most books I put out at one time - twice a week. I knock doors - from a customer's point of view it's less intrusive and more polite to actually ask if they would like a browse through my catalogue. From my point of view it saves me time and I build a better relationship with my customers - they see a person rather than just a catalogue chucked through their door.
You can buy kits still if you wish to but with the Break Free option, (free to start with 5 books as a taster), I don't see the point in spending out money when you can gain up to 500 books over 4 months for free dependent on your personal sales. Now I am no fortune teller so I couldn't tell you whether this will be an ongoing option but I certainly hope so because it gives everyone a fair chance - I certainly couldn't have re-joined had this option not been available.
Someone mentioned to stop this nonsense and protect people who are desperate - if you read my earlier posts you will notice this is exactly the reason I joined back with Kleeneze, I was completely desperate and I'm very glad I did, it has genuinely been a big help.
missterryshopper - I definitely wouldn't be telling people that switching opportunities is the key to success - that's probably the biggest mistake I have made over the years,lol! But you live and learn It took a few men to find the right husband too,lol! (Just a quick note here - I have been with my husband for 19 years and married once ) The only thing I would suggest is that if you find what you're looking for whether it's the right job, right business, right party planning opportunity, etc,etc and you're enjoying it, stick with it
Jen

Good deflection of the stuff about start up costs, noticed that , good try. Still the questions stands. You said earlier that you'd been back **two weeks** yet you are on about the break free option and gaining free books that would normally take a couple of months of orders. So what is it to be? think carefully.

As to blind dropping or presenting - classic deflection there too, I fail supposedly because I blind dropped , thats the line isn't it. No it's rubbish. It's often peddled - the customers like you better because you give the catalogue to them, the thing is once they open the door whether it's to collect a book or drop an order then contact is made and a rapport established.

The idea here that a handful of books dropped makes kleeneze work when I have spent years doing thousands for half minimum wages is just bizarre were it not so deluded.

Morethanconcerned

JennyJewell wrote: »

Hello again
Sorry I forgot to add something - someone mentioned about the 3-5 year plan. To be honest I have always been very badly organised - still am but getting better When I was a distributor with Kleeneze years ago I did actually get to a point where I was earning more per month than I am now. I left Kleeneze when I landed a job in my chosen occupation working as special needs support assistant. I absolutely love my job,it's extremely rewarding but the pay is pretty dire and as explained before I needed something extra and obviously you know the rest. My biggest dream is to teach - have wanted to do this since I was 4 years of age! If I can find a way to pay for the qualifications I need and earn the money I need to pay for half of our family's bills that will be fantastic If I am lucky enough to reach the age of 80 I would like to look back and be happy that I followed my dreams of having a family and following my passion to teach children - in particular those with special needs. Basically that is the 3-5 year plan I need to sort out
Jen

So you supposedly had a good kleeneze round going but gave it up for this job - why didn't you do it in the spare time you now seem to have so much of? You knew how much you'd be getting in the job so why not do kleeneze part time - after all they are always spouting how it only takes a few moments to do, and it seems you have a miracle area where in strolling distance books give £4 a book nearly. This is aside of all the other stuff you are doing or have supposedly done as well.

JennyJewell

I stopped Kleeneze before to concentrate on my chosen career - I have restarted because I need the money. I felt I no longer had the time to concentrate on Kleeneze the first time around, when I started working with children but it's surprising the time you can find when you need to. My children were also younger before whereas now I have one teenager and one about to become an adult himself - they are more or less living their own lives spending time with their friends.
I get great orders because I am a likeable person - my customers like the products and they like me. They know they can trust me - if something was ever faulty they know I will sort it out, no questions asked. I am known around my village for being genuine and help people with simple things such as picking up shopping for my elderly neighbours and that was in times between Kleeneze and as I do now - that is nothing to do with what company I am working with, that is just my personality and apologies if that makes you feel a bit sickly but that is the person I am. I have worked hard with the few catalogues I had and have gained a lot of free ones as reward for my sales which have helped me gain more orders.
I have done both blanket dropping and knocking and presenting and the latter works best for me and of course you build a better rapport - most people build a better rapport when they see a person face to face than over the phone in anything they do.
Work, family life and Kleeneze - I have no time to do anything else, nor do I want or need to now, (obviously apart from teacher training if I can find a way).
There are no deflections - I have simply told the truth of my experience so far.
As for houses I am very fortunate to have access to a lot of houses around me where I know a lot of people - I have also met some nice people recently who have become new customers to me. I do think it's polite to introduce myself - if someone doesn't want a catalogue at least I can say happy xmas and that person has respected the fact that I asked first.
Hope that clears a couple of things up although I feel that someone will still find something to pick at.
I have cleaning to do now and then Xmas shopping to do tomorrow -yay
Happy Xmas all
Jen

*Chattie*

Funny how you say that about every company you have sold for and there have been many but its nice to see you are back with Kleeneze who were off your good company list for quite a while.